Eladrins, Tieflings, Dragonborn Too Far Outside Standard Fantasy?

ArchAnjel said:
As to what I consider classic fantasy, I would probably point to Tolkien, Jack Vance, Robert E. Howard, Fritz Leiber, etc.
Big difference between standard and classic.

I consider Classic fantasy to be Beowulf, The Illiad, Odyssey, The Bible... you get the idea.

Standard fantasy has changed in the last 30 years.

Hell, wasn't the Monk a class in the 1e PHB? That's not very classic fantasy, and it was back when those classics you reference were, well, standard.
 
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I am just reminded that I really should not be playing D&D. I barely read Fantasy novels. I read LotR, The Hobbit and I read Pratchett. Other "excursions" in the fantasy genre are rare. I always prefered science fiction.

Still, I am playing a fantasy roleplaying game! Why am I doing that?

I guess it must be just that good. ;)

Eladrins are still Elves, only the name is different. I think that's the race I welcome the most in 4E, simply because they solve the problem of dozens Elven subraces and the "woodsy Elf" archetype vs. the "mage Elf" archetype.
Tieflings and Dragonborn I have no previous "literary" experience with, but they don't feel wrong to me, either.
 
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Dormain1 said:
Please dont say this, Dragonborn are not Draconians, please
Sorry, didn't mean to freak you out.

To clarify: I don't feel that Dragonborn are outside of standard fantasy. They are draconic humanoids, tuned for their role in the 4th edition world, as Draconians are draconic humanoids, tuned for their role in the world of Dragonlance. Is that better phrased?
 

I've no problems with Eladrins, though they won't be teleporting.

Tiefling fluff will be promptly ignored completely. They're still the planar bastard children. And screw that uniformity, too. Oh, right, and none of those stupidly useless melted wax weapons. They're not cool.

Dragonborn will be the most heavily edited, if they're even still around. If I keep 'em, they'll be a more powerful type of lizardfolk. The females won't have breasts, because that's incredibly, pants on head, mind achingly retarded. The idea I've been tossing around is having them be the first and only matriarchal society EVER in D&D not to be hideously evil. The males will also have brightly colored scales to show off their masculinity.
 
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theNater said:
Sorry, didn't mean to freak you out.

To clarify: I don't feel that Dragonborn are outside of standard fantasy. They are draconic humanoids, tuned for their role in the 4th edition world, as Draconians are draconic humanoids, tuned for their role in the world of Dragonlance. Is that better phrased?

Ahh much better :)

I was just trying to point out to those not familair with DL the difference

I have no problems with any new race, just gives me more options

For those familiar with Invader Zim
Gir was a 1/2 draconian warforged
"I need tacos else I will explode, that happends to me sometimes"

anyways off to play DnD
 

Oh, GIR. I have caused so much chaos playing characters with his personality :D I personally loved one part in a game where I scared off enemies by singing the "Doom Song" but the echoes made it so far down the corridor it sounded like a demon :D It was fun.
 

One of my biggest problems with almost every D&D version is the races. Why? They are generally bland, and can easily just be exchanged with humans of different cultures.

The first thing that made me happy about 4th edition was that the designers telling us that they saw that problem too. They have worked at solving it in three ways, as I see it:
1. Trying to find relevant and exciting racial abilities
2. Racial feats making it so that racial differences can keep growing over time
3. New and less human-like races

As it is now I like seven out of eight of the 4th edition races. (Somehow I even like halflings!) I still don't see the point of half-elves. I think mixed races are better built by starting with one race and adding a feat to give characteristics from the other one. With the addition of eladrins and tieflings, half-elves become even more pointless to me. How come there is a race based on interbreeding between humans and elves, but other races can't do it? I mean, elf/eladrin seems more likely than half-elf doesn't it? Or human/tiefling for that matter, considering the origin of the tiefling race.

I am also one of those who has read way more fantasy than any person ever should, and to me tieflings and eladrin are way more standard than halflings and gnomes. Dragonborn are a bit more out there, but not something I would have a problem with. I would like a good rebuild of werewolves, changelings, some sort of insect people and some type of undead, as those are extremely useful for different kinds of fantasy settings.
 

ProfessorCirno said:
The idea I've been tossing around is having them be the first and only matriarchal society EVER in D&D not to be hideously evil. The males will also have brightly colored scales to show off their masculinity.

I have this more or less with my above-mentioned yuan-ti-esque race.

They have a hint of insidiousness to them as a race, but they're essentially benevolent... basically they're like more diplomatic versions of 4E metallic dragons so far as personality goes, and they tend to be matriarchal as a matter of practicality as females have a drastically lower birth rate than males, so they have a great deal of power in any culture of the race where males don't simply enslave them, since you either do what the ladies say or you don't get to have kids.

I've actually been working on the culture for some years, so I certainly find it an interesting angle. So many varieties of cultures you can bring out of it.

I am somewhat a fan of variety, you could say, I suppose.
 

Tervin said:
I would like a good rebuild of werewolves, changelings, some sort of insect people and some type of undead, as those are extremely useful for different kinds of fantasy settings.
By changelings, what do you mean?

Because the MM will have doppelganger-lites to play at 1st level.

I second werewolf, insect and undead.
 


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