Element Subtypes

[Junkheap]

Its time again to ask the great sages of the board:

Fire subtype: Do you take double damage against water attacks??

Asking this mainly due to the fact it doesnt say.

A fire elemental vs say a marid(or a water elemental). Do they do regular damage or double damage? Can an water elemental use its drench ability on an elemental? If its regular damage, isn't it kinda dumb? A red dragon with the cold subtype fine, but what about the previous example?

Btw i don't know if they converted marids to 3e, but in 2e they had a water blast attack that did some decent damage.

 

[Dr. Zoom]

AFAIK, fire subtypes just take double damage from cold attacks (if they fail their save). If a creature has a special attack that would effect a subtype in some way, it will be listed and explained in the creature's stat block and description.

 

[Grazzt]

Its time again to ask the great sages of the board:

Fire subtype: Do you take double damage against water attacks??

Nope. Fire subtype is "Immune to fire; double damage from cold except on a succesful save."

Asking this mainly due to the fact it doesnt say.

Actually it does. Check the MM, page 6. Also, you can find it on page 77 in the DMG.

A fire elemental vs say a marid(or a water elemental). Do they do regular damage or double damage?

Normal; i.e., not double.

Can an water elemental use its drench ability on an elemental?

I would say no. The description says non-magical fires and magical fires (dispelled). I would say elementals are not affected, but you could let it deal damage of some sort. I wouldnt allow the water elemental to extinguish a fire elemental or dispel it though.

If its regular damage, isn't it kinda dumb?

Why is it dumb? I can see the fire opposes water argument, but then again, I can argue that elemental fire is doused by elemental water (thus nullifying bonus damage) and elemental water evaporates against elemental fire (thus nullifying bonus damage). Either way, they more or less cancel each other out and deal normal damage.

A red dragon with the cold subtype fine, but what about the previous example?

Red dragons with the cold subtype would be really big, strong, pissed off white dragons. Red dragons can't have the cold subtype; they have the fire subtype. Course you can Rule 0 and give it to them, but then it would really be strange to see a cold creature spitting fire.

EDIT: Mightve misunderstood ya here. I thought you were making reference to a red dragon with the cold subtype.

Btw i don't know if they converted marids to 3e, but in 2e they had a water blast attack that did some decent damage.

Marids are in the 3e Manual of the Planes.

 

[Voadam]

well if the fire elemental is summoned then the summoning spell has the fire descriptor and can probably be dispelled.

Drench (Ex): The elemental’s touch puts out torches, campfires, exposed lanterns, and other open flames of nonmagical origin if these are of Large size or smaller. The creature can dispel magical fire it touches as dispel magic cast by a sorcerer whose level equals the elemental’s HD total.

Since the summoned elemental would wink out in an antimagic field it makes sense to be dispelled by drench as well I would think.