Elven Samurai...

Theuderic said:
Well then elves have always been xenophobic whether based on German , Chinese, or Japanese cultures. Am I correct in saying this?

Yes. All societies are more or less xenophobic from time to time in their history. When xenophobia is on the rise, people tend to become suspicious and hostile towards outsiders, and racism tends to occur with greater frequency. Racism exists in many, if not all, countries, to varying degrees.
 

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Chun-tzu said that, in his opinion, elven cultures in campaign world have drifted away from isolationism and xenophobia. Naturally, whether or not you want an elven culture to be isolationist is your own choice, no matter the presence or absence of thematic influence from real-world cultures. It was merely suggested that an East Asian influence made such an attitude (isolationism, not racism) particularly appropriate.

Actually, I find it annoying that in many worlds an entire race seems to have a single culture throughout the world, no matter geographical and historical differences. But that's a topic for another thread.
 

Chun-tzu said:


Yes. All societies are more or less xenophobic from time to time in their history. Racism exists in many, if not all, countries.........


So why would the fact that they are influenced by Japanese and or chinese culture make this any different?
 

I think it's because that China and Japan were, at the time that they are imagined in fantasy, very isolationist. As Chun-tzu said, all cultures are to some degree at different times, but, AFAIK, China and Japan were pretty extreme about it in such time periods.
 

Theuderic said:
I still fail to see why China or Japan would have any effect in this. Are they more prone to racism and if so please cite a few concrete examples.

From 1616 until the arival of Commodore Perry, the Tokugawa Shogunate ordered the closure of all of Japan to foreigners, with the exception of one city (IIRC Shimoneseki). Any foreigner found anywhere else in Japan was summarily put to death, no exceptions. The US confronted Japan in the 1850's because US sailors who were shipwrecked were being put to death. That may not be racist, but it's xenophobic for sure.

China was traditionally called chung kuo which means "the middle kingdom" or in other words, "the centre of the world". Traditional China may not have been racist, but it was phenomenally elitist. In the nineteenth century, even after having lost the two Opium wars with Britain and having been forced into humiliating treaties with numerous European powers, the CHinese Imperial court still refused to meet with ambassadors from Europe because they were inferior barbarians. THe Empress dowager virtually made the march on Peking inevitable by refusing to protect foreigners from the Boxer Rebels.

Neither of these cultures was any more racist than European powers of their day, but, compared to modern times, they were exceptionally racist, xenophobic and elitist.

Important NOte: None of the above comments refer to contemporary China or Japan in any way. Moreover, no position is stated or implied with regards to Chinese or Japanese people.

With regards to the original question;

We have a xenophobic samurai elven culture in our campaign, but at this stage it hasn't progressed much further than a few hostile encounters at sea. In terms of gods, perhaps the elves don't worship deities in the conventional sense, but follow a more shinto concept, where there are spirit's everywhere. Each elven cleric might have their own personal god, for example.
 




You seem pretty upset with this thread, Theuderic. I think there have been some misunderstandings here.

I suggested that these elves might treat half-elves as lesser. You and Lela questioned me on this, saying that elves already do that. I explained that I was thinking that the elves might take this to a greater extreme, even to the point of racism.

This is not because of the original idea, about elves forming a samurai-like society. I was explaining one idea, among many, that I had posted. Then we got off on this whole tangent...
 


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