Elves and Rings of Sustenance

[dkilgo]

I retract my previous statement to insert this.

I did not mean to say half the time because the ring actually cuts the sleep time down to a quarter of the time rquired to sleep. Hence, the ring would allow a elf to enter a trance for only 1 hour to gain the benefits of 4 hours of trance.

Do you understand this because for some reason I am starting to not understand this. Wierd!

 

[kreynolds]

But what effect does this have on an elven trance? I'd be inclined to go for 1 hour of trance equalling 8 hours of sleep (since 4 hours normally equals 8), but I can't be sure.

From a Sage reply...

A Ring of Sustenance reduces the number of hours of sleep needed from 8 to 2. Since elves gain the benefit of 8 hours of sleep from 4 hours of trance, it seems pretty clear to me that elves need to trance for 2 hours to gain the benefit of 4 hours of trance/8 hours of sleep. Or does it not effect trance at all, but if the elf actually sleeps as humans do for 2 hours they are rested?

I don't recommend letting the ring affect the trance.

Pesonally, I agree with the Sage on this. I don't give penalties to elves to "wake up" to a disturbance. Since they aren't truly sleeping, they snap out of their trance in a heartbeat, so if someone sneaks into the camp, elves don't suffer any penalties to their listen checks or the like. Also, when it comes right down to it, elves don't sleep anyway.

 

[dkilgo]

But, why would you exclude an entire race from receiving benefits that other races could get. Thier trance is like sleeping, but they just don't take penalties from waking like the other races do.

 

[kreynolds]

But, why would you exclude an entire race from receiving benefits that other races could get.

I already answered that, but I'll try to elaborate a bit. Elves don't sleep like others. They go into a deep trance. In keeping with the elves are different than other races viewpoint, that's my reasoning. I've been doing this with "The most hated ranger of all time" in one of my games and it hasn't posed a problem.

Thier trance is like sleeping, but they just don't take penalties from waking like the other races do.

The keyword in your statement is that their trance is like sleeping. The Ring of Sustenance affects sleep, and elves don't sleep.

 

[Zhure]

Thanks, kreynolds.

:waves 'he's repeating what I meant' flag:

 

[Zhure]

But, why would you exclude an entire race from receiving benefits that other races could get.

Same reason a Grimlock doesn't benefit from Goggles of Night.

Greg

 

[dkilgo]

Okay, okay, okay!

Please stop flogging me. My skin is getting a bit sparse, you know.

Due to the current condition of where the thread's posts lie. I will have to conceed, and say that it would not affect elves the same way it affects other races that have to sleep.

I appologize as best I can when being a up and coming rules jedi gets me nowhere it seems.

 

[kreynolds]

Due to the current condition of where the thread's posts lie. I will have to conceed, and say that it would not affect elves the same way it affects other races that have to sleep.

I appologize as best I can when being a up and coming rules jedi gets me nowhere it seems.

It's quite alright if you disagree. You have the right to have your own opinion. My stance is a combination of rules interpretation and opinion, not just hard and fast rules.

 

[Sixchan]

Damn. Ah well, at least I still won't need to eat.

I didn't need it for spells, since I'm playing my Barbarian (at last!), but I was hoping to be able to be the Party's watch at nights. I still can, but it's a pity I still need 4 hours.

Well, thanks for the clarification, even if it wasn't what I wanted.

 

[dkilgo]

It's quite alright if you disagree. You have the right to have your own opinion. My stance is a combination of rules interpretation and opinion, not just hard and fast rules.

I am just aspiring to become like the great rules jedi of this board. That is all.