Empowering spells or powers

[comareddin]

If you empower a spell or a power do only the variable effects get changed (like a fireball doing 10d6*1.5) or constant numbers as well (manifesting power resistance so you would get a resistance of 12+manifesterlevel * 1.5)
Thanks in advance

 

[Crothian]

If you empower a spell or a power do only the variable effects get changed (like a fireball doing 10d6*1.5) or constant numbers as well (manifesting power resistance so you would get a resistance of 12+manifesterlevel * 1.5)
Thanks in advance

Isn't ther example still magic missile? At any rate it is everything * 1.5, so with magic missiles it is (1d4+1) * 1.5 for each one.

 

[Silveras]

If you empower a spell or a power do only the variable effects get changed (like a fireball doing 10d6*1.5) or constant numbers as well (manifesting power resistance so you would get a resistance of 12+manifesterlevel * 1.5)
Thanks in advance

The feats both specifically say "variable numeric effects". Only the parts you roll for are affected. Both also specifically say that Saving Throw DCs and opposed checks are NOT affected.

 

[Silveras]

Isn't ther example still magic missile? At any rate it is everything * 1.5, so with magic missiles it is (1d4+1) * 1.5 for each one.

Uhm... that was not the question, though.

 

[Caliban]

If you empower a spell or a power do only the variable effects get changed (like a fireball doing 10d6*1.5) or constant numbers as well (manifesting power resistance so you would get a resistance of 12+manifesterlevel * 1.5)
Thanks in advance

Only variable numeric effects are increased, however any number that is added to the variable is considered to be part of the variable. (Magic missiles do 1d4+1, so the variable is considered to be 2-5, not 1-4).

A power or spell that gives a set effect with no variable is not increased.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

The rules are as Crothian and Caliban state.

 

[comareddin]

What confuses me is that the feat Empower Power says that an empowered power affects half again as many targets as the normal spell so that would mean a spell that affects for example say 10 people now affects 15 people. That is not a variable affect but in the feat's description it states that that aspect of the power is empowered.
Any thoughts on that?

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Any thoughts on that?

Yeah - the important part of the Empower Power ability is highlighted below:

You can empower a power. All variable, numeric effects of an empowered power are increased by one-half. An empowered power deals half again as much damage as normal, cures half again as many hit points, affects half again as many targets, and so forth, as appropriate.

The number of targets is only appropriate if it's a "variable, numeric effect" of a power.

For intance, if you manifested a power which forced 1d4+ML targets to make will saves or suffer some horrible fate, then (1d4+ML)*1.5 targets would be affected.

If, instead, a similar power forced all targets in a given radius to make will saves or suffer some horrible fate, Empower would have no effect on the number of targets, as they are no longer a "variable, numeric effect" of the power.

Make more sense?