EN World GameStore Closing

Ehm, interesting discussion and all.

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JohnNephew said:
Yeah, I saw that. No doubt they thought it was legitimate to substitute "OBS" for "RPGNow," since it's a successor entity; but it was going to look a bit awkward with OBS not actually offering any Atlas titles.

-John Nephew
President, Atlas Games
OK, so I see no Atlas Games products at RPGNow anymore, but the thing is - where is the free Ars Magica Fourth Edition pdf? I don't see it on e23. Entire games are riding on it being available for free, you know. Don't leave us hanging...
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Ehem. Yeah, very nice thread you got here. :whistles:
 

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Morrus said:
I'm not saying it magically creates new customers; I'm saying that the combined customer base of all three stores will have more choice and variety. And these things lead to more purchasing.

While I believe you are 100% right, I think that the merger is a good thing for even more esoteric, but ultimately more important (long term) reasons. I'm the guy who was saying that pdfs were the next big thing for rpgs back in May of 2001 when Sue and I cobbled together the Book of Eldritch Might and no one had heard of such a thing. I think the pdf market's success or failure all rides on the ability of those involved to look ahead.

Today I'm told that pdfs account for around 10% of rpg products sold. Cool. But what's exciting to me about that isn't that it's grown that much, but that it's that things are going that well and yet there's still so many people out there who think of pdfs as something brand new, or haven't yet started buying pdfs at all. There's a lot of room for growth. A lot. And frankly, I see this merger as a nicely paved road for that growth to happen. Basically, it's one unified voice that can more efficiently market to and educate potential customers as well as new publishers (or, more likely, print publishers still leery of the format, like WotC). These are the things that will grow the pdf market in the long term and I think One Book Shelf will be able to do it more efficiently.

I'll be blunt. I think it would be short sighted for a pdf publisher not to be a part of this.
 

Yair said:
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OK, so I see no Atlas Games products at RPGNow anymore, but the thing is - where is the free Ars Magica Fourth Edition pdf? I don't see it on e23. Entire games are riding on it being available for free, you know. Don't leave us hanging...
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I haven't talked with Thomas at e23 about it yet, but I was going to ask if they would like to host the free download now. Given that it had over 28,000 downloads at RPGNow, last time I checked, I imagine it would be a good thing for helping e23's visibility. I know a lot of customers lured into setting up an account with RPGNow to get the free ArM4 PDF wound up becoming purchasers of other items.

RPGNow sprang the news of all this upon all of us vendors just yesterday, less than a day's notice in advance, so we didn't have a lot of time to react or lay plans. It was just coincidence that I had finally gotten things rolling with e23 -- now I'll be looking for some active ways to promote our new arrangement.

In the meantime, I'm actually uploading some older Ars titles to e23 (titles that had been on RPGNow, but hadn't made it up to e23 yet) in the background even as I type this.
 

Monte At Home said:
I'll be blunt. I think it would be short sighted for a pdf publisher not to be a part of this.


I'll be blunt. I'd have no current reservations being a part of this if it were not for the rate increase.
 

seasong said:
Hey, someone remembers me! :p
Are you kidding? You're one of my favorite posters! It's definitely good to see you around.

(re: the business side: I've worked for nonprofits and the government far too long to have any business sense left, so I've genuinely got no opinion about the merits of the merger, any more than I have an opinion about quantum physics. I'm just glad it's something that interests other people).

Daniel
 

Pielorinho said:
(re: the business side: I've worked for nonprofits and the government far too long to have any business sense left, so I've genuinely got no opinion about the merits of the merger, any more than I have an opinion about quantum physics. I'm just glad it's something that interests other people)
You've got no opinion on quantum physics?! BLASPHEMY!
- Yair, a physicist
 

Mark CMG said:
I'll be blunt. I'd have no current reservations being a part of this if it were not for the rate increase.

Indeed. You're in a prisoner's dilemma.

If enough publishers decided not to accept the new arrangements and cancelled their agreements with OBS, then OBS would be strongly pressured to negotiate terms more favorable to the publishers -- otherwise they would wind up with less profit together than they had separately.

However, each publisher makes their decision in isolation; they can't be sure what other publishers will do. If OBS holds fast and only a few publishers peel off, then those publishers who leave are left with nothing where they used to have the majority of their sales. Moreover, we know that many publishers have already signed exclusives, which further hurts the viability of any future competitor who won't be able to stock those exclusive lines; and many major publishers in the print arena just don't think PDFs are big enough a deal to pay very close attention to the petty details -- they just look at the dollar figure on the checks they cash.

If a publisher decides to swallow their pride and say "thank you sir, please may I have another" when given a deep cut to their wages (in effect), they'll take a hit to their income, but that's better in the short term than no sales at all. In the long run, you can darn sure expect that they will get another cut, sooner or later -- if not from today's bosses, then tomorrow's. Publishers who have trouble saying "no thank you" today will have an even harder time tomorrow. If you can't say no and walk away from a deal, you're not negotiating, you're begging for charity.

I decline to sell products through the new OBS for the same reason I had declined DTRPG -- I think the terms are lousy, and they signal the market that publishers are open to having more taken from them. No one should be surprised that RPGNow heard that signal loud and clear.
 

JohnNephew said:
If enough publishers decided not to accept the new arrangements . . .

With the possibility of price hikes, I believe that both vendors and consumers have a stake in this. Perhaps, just a joint request from those two groups for the rescindment of the rate increase will have some effect. To that end, I see no reason why a petition can't be started to get the simple message across. Click here to view it, please.
 

JohnNephew said:
If enough publishers decided not to accept the new arrangements and cancelled their agreements with OBS, then OBS would be strongly pressured to negotiate terms more favorable to the publishers -- otherwise they would wind up with less profit together than they had separately.

A bunch of publishers though, and several awfully big ones, have already said that the DTRPG rate was okay -- and even though they could get a lower rate out of what was the most well-known PDF vendor brand in the industry. I would think that in order for a movement to be effective you'd need to get those folks online.

*****

From a customer standpoint, I have to say I really like the new merged stores -- much easier for shopping and now I can spend my small sale earnings on practically any book from any publisher. The massive selection combined with the fact it targets my favorite hobby makes it as useful for me as iTunes or Amazon -- and I think that can be truly transformative.
 

JohnNephew said:
If a publisher decides to swallow their pride and say "thank you sir, please may I have another" . . .

That's pretty much, word for word, exactly what I said to someone today.

To be honest, refusing their terms and refusing to sell at the new site will mean the end of Ronin Arts and will force me to find a job. As of this moment I don't know what to do.

Anyone out there need a new telecommuter with a variety of skills?
 

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