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I received the email announcing the merger yesterday and wondered what the consensus would be. Sadly because of how busy I have been at work and home lately, it took a while to catch up on everything.

I try to be an informed consumer. From the customer perspective in terms of availability, I like the idea of the merger. More titles available from what amounts to one source. Cool!

But this is also a small industry and despite having never met any of the PDF publishers, I appreciate the sense of community and their contributions to it. I have a personal interest in seeing individual publishers succeed. Whenever possible, I like to purchase from places that drive the best value for my favorite publishers. Why? Because that rewards these creative individuals as much as I can.

Gaming material is a luxury item for me. I will buy it so long as it fills my luxury desires. I accomodate rising costs until I reach the point where I would rather buy other luxury items.

In the end it is business, but it is business that is supported by, and supports, the gaming hobby.

One of the reasons I wanted to check the threads was to hear what the buzz is about rates. Another was to hear what would happen for the vendors that are already on all the listed sites. I am annoyed that there appear to be at least some vendors that recently signed on with multiple vendors and did not derive any benefit from the diversification. I would hope that something could be done for those vendors that signed on with all entities. Mind you, I don't know that there is a business obligation to do that. But to allow a vendor to spend the sign up fees, knowing that you are getting ready to make those fees redundant, isn't particulary compassionate.

I am annoyed that OBS is taking a higher percentage, apparently without providing specifics on what the added value is. Perhaps it is still too soon and the specifics haven't been worked out? Could be. But it seems like a prudent business merger would have all those details worked out in advance of the announcement.

You know, in a different industry, I would be very dubious. But I do have respect for the people running the sites involved and I don't think they intend to cut into the bottom line of PDF publishers without offering any value. (It could end up that they do just that. Which would irritate me a great deal.) But I do hope that there are better details being revealed for the publishers somewhere. Otherwise, I can't fault the dissatisfaction of people that have worked hard to build up a fanbase and market their individual companies. Indeed, I would expect those publishers to look for different options. I will follow publishers I respect to whatever outlet they choose to use. This is a small enough industry that it sure isn't very hard to find out where a given publisher has moved to for sales. In many cases, if I had trouble finding a product from a publisher I respect, I would just open one of the PDFs I do have, find an email address and ask.

This isn't doom and gloom time. But I understand why some publishers might be concerned that their bottom line is being negatively impacted here. I also understand why some publishers might not be concerned at all, or perhaps even excited. I hope all the publishers involved have great success, regardless of what they choose to do in the aftermath of this merger. In the end, these are business decisions. But it is a small industry and it is easy to associate individual names with these businesses. In that respect we are lucky. Those of us that are fans of PDFs usually have ready exposure to the people providing those PDFs. So yes, these are business decisions but these are also people. People that I know from messageboards and emails.

I hope OBS can get the details together, or change the direction of some decisions, so that this becomes a win-win situation for all the people involved. Because when the distributors are winning (OBS) and the publishers are winning (Ronin Arts, Expeditious Retreat, etc) then I feel like I am winning.

I'm just one guy, one customer. All I am doing is tossing my thoughts out into the open just so everyone can see how one guy might be thinking. I wish all of you luck with this merger and I certainly hope it strengthens my hobby. But I do like to hear some of the details from time to time because I try to support my favorite publishers when I can.
 

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JohnNephew said:
I haven't talked with Thomas at e23 about it yet, but I was going to ask if they would like to host the free download now.
Go ahead an upload it with the rest, and I'll make sure it is handled with appropriate reverence.
 


It's nice to see a vigorous thread.

As I have mostly been focusing on the dedicated publisher forum that we have for OneBookShelf publishers and on private e-mails from some publsiher partners, I regret I'm a late-comer to this thread.

I would submit that over the two and half years of DTrpg's extistence, our record is indisputable that we have helped grow the RPG pdf market, and we have helped grow the revenue of the publishers who have joined us as partners. We have continually added more publisher tools and features to make it easier for publishers to use our site. We have full-time staff to help publishers get set-up on site or run promotions.

For customers, we have worked our tails off over these past years to get a lot of publishers to bring greater selection to the pdf market. I submit that we have clearly succeeded in doing so. We also continually improve our site to make browsing and shopping easier (Yeah there's a lot left to be done, but relative to where we started, we continue to make significant improvements). We have full-time staff to solve customer problems in a timely and professional manner.

I also submit that James at RPGNow is indisputably a pioneer of RPG downloads and has done as much or more than any other human on the planet to grow this market.

It is therefore rather difficult to read a thread where fellow professionals like John Nephew frame James and I (and our now collective company) as some great evil that will be the ruin of our publisher partners and the RPG download market. It is hard not to interpret this message as "Hey, that money of yours you spent starting this business and that ton of work you've done for years to make this market better for everyone, well now that you've done a good job of that and created a bigger market, you're now enemy number 1".

If DriveThruRPG and RPGNow have succeeded in creating more market and market share than our esteemed competitors at sites like e23 and Paizo, doesn't that mean we've been doing something right for publishers and our customers?

When we talk about our optimisim that the download market has lots of room left to grow and that we believe we can continue to put more total royalty dollars into the hands of our publsiher partners (a great many of whom James and I consider friends) and more value in front of customers, well according to some on this thread, that's just insubstantial "smoke" we're blowing.

Haven't we earned a little credibility yet? Don't we have a 2 1/2 year and over 4 year track record of evidence of helping grow the market? When we say we believe we can continue to do so, I think we have a record to support that.

The point was raised that rather than OneBookShelf receiving a higher fee from publishers so that it could go out and spend money to grow the market, OneBookShelf should instead receive a lower fee and let publishers retain that money to grow the market however they feel best serves them. In many market situations, I would agree. We are and our publisher partners are entreprenuers and with that comes a lot of desire for self-determinism. Sometimes though that's not the best road forward.

For example, "Got Milk?" or other cooperative marketing campaigns for oranges, almonds or all sorts so items. I don't know the whole story behind any of thess efforts but what I surmise is that dairy farmers were smart enough to understand that they would all benefit more if some of their promotional resources were pooled into a joint marketing effort to grow the total market of milk drinkers, rather than dedicate their promotional resources to battling each other.

With the RPG download market growing steadily year over year and with it only comprising 11% of the total RPG market, we believe that this is a situation where everyone will be best served with what is essentially a co-operative marketing program focused on expanding the market. If that proves to be wrong then we will have financially ill-served our publisher partners AND ourselves.

To clarify another point. The merger of DTrpg and RPGNow was not about consolidating overhead and cost savings. No employees were laid off, both sites continue to run in tandem. We'll negotiate a slightly more favorable rate for payment processing, but otherwise there's not a lot of cost savings going on. The merger is about putting more resources to work in a unfied effort to grow the market, not about paring things down.

I'm not one for long messageboard discussions or point by point debates. Our publisher partners can better reach me by private e-mail or phone call or on the private publisher forum. I don't mean to be exclusionary with communication, it's just an issue of time and quality of conversation.

Steve Wieck
OneBookShelf
 

Steve DriveThruRPG said:
I'm not one for long messageboard discussions or point by point debates.


That won't be necessary. There's only one point to be made. While I am keen on your interest in growing the industry, I do not believe the industry is best served by your removing from the publishers, in advance, the profits you claim will be forthcoming. As but one of many publisher-pioneers, I congratulate you on the merger but disagree with the rate increase. I am going to continue to submit that this is a poor decision on the part of OBS and that it needs to be rescinded.
 

Steve imagine that the US government would tax you an aditional 15% because you just merged. I don't think you would be happy, i think you would consider not merging. The same goes for some of the publishers....
 

Pielorinho said:
Once I study it, I'll either approve or disapprove of it. Until then, I exist in a state of simultaneously approving and disapproving of it: my opinion is indeterminate.

Daniel
:D

...although technically (and pedantly) the state is determinate, it is just in a superposition until it is determined...
 

To be clear, I don't think anyone involved with RPGNow or DTRPG is evil. I just think that they're looking at the merger from their perspective. I know that if I was in their seat I would have likely done the exact same thing in this shrinking market.

What bothers me is that it has been all "we will do this and you will accept." After years of thinking that I was a partner in this industry it is revealed that I am nothing more than a source of funds. After paying RPGNow alone over $12,000 -- last year alone -- I discover that I haven't bought good will or respect; I've only purchased a chance to pay even more for a potential increase in sales and without any method in place to repair the rate change if that potential is not met.

I am expected to, as a leap of faith, jump in and be happy at the change.
 

philreed said:
That's pretty much, word for word, exactly what I said to someone today.

To be honest, refusing their terms and refusing to sell at the new site will mean the end of Ronin Arts and will force me to find a job. As of this moment I don't know what to do.

Anyone out there need a new telecommuter with a variety of skills?

I'm exactly in your situation Phil, but still considering to be off of RPGnow/DTRPG and try to sell through other venues such as wargamedownload, Arima, Paizo and E23

However, I don't know what to do yet...
 

If you'd like to register a formal complaint with the FTC (Federal Trade Commission), you can do so here:

https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01

The name of the company would be "http://enworld.rpgnow.com/" - so that all complaints go in the same bucket.

The address is:
RPGNow.com
4631 S. 108th St.
Greenfield, WI 53228

company email address is: webmaster@rpgnow.com
 

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