Enterprise 04-09-03

[John Crichton]

:: wink wink ::

Funny post.

But not entirely accurate...

Dilithium crystals harder that diamonds in TOS can be pick axed out the wall.

I don't think those were dilithium crystals. Miners don't just find valubles, they usually just get rock, ice and the like.

No one carries a camera or will memorize a star chart. Or it will get lost in federation archives. Rura Penthe location is unknown in Kirk's time requireing a piece of velco to give the Spooky the Elf the location. But Archer crewman is smuggled to and from the prison.

Because he was smuggled in, it is quite possible that he has no idea how he got there.

Pain sticks with be minaturize to palm size(tos) until the worfs time where the old ones come back.

Bigger stick = less pain? Or maybe it's just the acting.

The smell of human sweat is unbearable otherwise what drove off the two guards guarding archer and the long hair hippie klingon.

It is well known that human sweat is toxic to Klingons.

Show trials are called Survior Klingon.

This was covered in the episode where Worf got voted off the Enterprise (not aired in Season 8).

A cute female vulcan whispering sweet hurtings in Klingon ears will make Klingons weak in the knees and cause them to help elf ladies. That it vulcans are not a higher species they elves. Look at all the episodes They can go with out sleep, immune to most charm/mind spells,High int, prideful, have long lives, don't talk about sex. Come in assorted colors, (wood, high,drow = white, black, oriental).

In all seriousness: I wonder how long Archer was in there...

Oh my rule if not shown on film the support books (tech manuals, making of, etc) only count when it agrees with other support books. So while Robberberry may say Klingons had bumps, when DS9 did trouble with tribbles 2 Klingons now come in two flavors one lumps or no lumps.

They also come in chocolate/vanilla swirl and crunchy. I prefer the crunchy.

 

[orbitalfreak]

*GASPS!*

I can't believe I forgot to watch it! Spent too much time on Starcraft yesterday and played right through the show ... .

Oh well, I guess I'll catch the re-run this weekend. Was really looking forward to this one, too.

 

[Granduke]

Ok, I didnt hate this episode, but it just seemed blah to me. Maybe Im getting older and maybe its because the "Universe" of Trek has been fleshed out pretty well. Either way, it seems that Enterprise is rehashing so many old ideas.

Granted I was geeked out to see an ancestor of Durass, and a look at the advocate system, as well as references to Narendra III, but this episode (and other episodes) just didnt have very much dramatic tension to it.

We seem to be getting very vanilla type adventures or character study type episodes.

For myself personally, I would like to see, since this is a prequel, the relationships of the various races, and how perhaps it influenced the Federation we all know came from it(in this case I liked the Andorian/Vulcan eps). Id like to see how the Klingons slid from being honorable to being the seeminly warlike brutes of TOS. I guess I want to see "history" in the making.

It just seems like the same old themes/issues are being explored. Am I alone in this?

 

[Richards]

Were those Klingon pain sticks? Somehow, I was under the impression (from the Worf days on Picard's Enterprise) that a pain stick was just a hard, wooden stick - I imagined it like a ritualistic billy club - that a Klingon would whack himself with. Kind of like those Middle Age monks into all the self-flagellation.

I may be misremembering, but weren't there Klingon "agonizers" in the Kirk era? That's what I thought these cattle-prod thingees were in this episode: Klingon agonizers. Could be wrong, though - wouldn't be the first time.

Johnathan

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

If it was ("back in the TNG days") only a stick to hit someone with, the FX department didn`t get it right, because I remember them glowing red when they hit their target, and in a scene where Worf has to undergo a "pain stick ritual" he isn`t simply beaten with the stick, only touched ...

Mustrum Ridcully

 

[Mark]

For myself personally, I would like to see, since this is a prequel, the relationships of the various races, and how perhaps it influenced the Federation we all know came from it(in this case I liked the Andorian/Vulcan eps). Id like to see how the Klingons slid from being honorable to being the seeminly warlike brutes of TOS. I guess I want to see "history" in the making.

I think this episode is an example of their trying to take this tract. Doesn't have as much "pop" as an episode with battle sequences but Kolos' admissions of how life used to be certainly speaks to the history of the Klingons much more than anything I've seen yet.

 

[Hand of Vecna]

Makes me wonder if Archer might not only be linked to the Klingon/Federation war, but also to the Event that erased the Klingon ridges & made them look like Mongols in TOS -- perhaps a Suliban bio-weapon gone awry?

Worf said they "Do not talk about it to outsiders" -- perhaps the weapn was meant to kill a large portion of the Klingon population, but meddling by Archer caused it not to kill, but to change. The Klingons, owing both their life & their 'deformity' to a human, withdraw in shame, and fall deeper into barbarism, only to be 'saved' by the Romulans....

 

[Umbran]

I'm happy they chose to open a door here. When we say that Klingon culture has been well explored, that's only "current" culture - the culture of the century or so surrounding TOS, TNG and DS9. But everyone knows that cultures change. Look what a century did to us?

 

[Orius]

Re: Re: Re: Enterprise 04-09-03

indeed it was (i love when they actors back to Trek)

not a bad episode, although it did resolve itself rather quickly IMO.

Well, it's Star Trek.

 

[Orius]

Last night was my favorite episode. Never in Star Trek history have they revealed so much about the Klingon Empire.


I enjoyed the sliding in of Durass' character--Mogh's enemy from the past. I assume that this Durass will be the predecessor to the one that dishonors Mogh's family and forces Worf to be adopted by humans (although I still wonder why Kurn chose to stay on the Klingon homeworld).

Yep, I'm guessing it I Duras' ancestor -- I read somewhere that the patterns of the Klingon heads represent different families. He had the same type of head style as Duras from TNG, as well as the other members of that family -- Toral, Lursa, B'Etor. Interesting too, he mentioned he was the "son of Toral". (My reaction: "Isn't that BACKWARDS?" )

It was funny to see the Klingon's version of the attack on his ship:

"This is Captain Archer of the Federation battleship Enterprise!"

Good stuff.

The advocate was awesome. I loved the character development and how he showed us a hint of how the Kilingon's used to view honor. I could not believe it when he said, "We didn't see bloodshed as honor. Only acts of true courage brought honor to the Empire."

I mean... wow! I have to admit, after seeing every Star Trek episode of ever series, watching every movie, and reading every canonical book, I have to give out a HELL YEAH! Klingons have always been stale and a bit unrealisitc. But this opened up some new glimpses into what they're really all about.

Not too surprising. It meshes with the Klingon clerics of Boreth who cloned Kahless because they felt Gowron was leading the Empire astray. It also meshes with Ezri Dax's views on the Klingon empire that she shared with Worf -- views that caused him to challenge Gowron and kill him.

It would seem this warrior mentality of the Klingons gets worse as time passes -- perhaps this is where things goes wrong between the Federation and the Klingons. The Klingons probably become more aggressive and territorial, which causes friction between the Empire and the Fed, until the Praxis incident forces the Klingons to start thiniking differently.