ENWorld = whiners arguing ?

On General, there are a dedicated core of "I hate 3.5e"/"I hate Wizards"/"I hate 3e" posters. I'm slowly adding them to my ignore lists, and I really wish that would also mean they couldn't see my posts.

Most of the people around here are good people, but there are a few I'd rather like to see gone.

Cheers!
 

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On General, there are a dedicated core of "I hate 3.5e"/"I hate Wizards"/"I hate 3e" posters. I'm slowly adding them to my ignore lists, and I really wish that would also mean they couldn't see my posts.

Most of the people around here are good people, but there are a few I'd rather like to see gone.
When I say this, I'm told I'm just paranoid.

The weakness of the ignore list is that it doesn't actually remove the offending material. When someone comes and pees in the community sandbox, it doesn't help to just turn your back on them.

Quasqueton
 

MerricB said:
On General, there are a dedicated core of "I hate 3.5e"/"I hate Wizards"/"I hate 3e" posters. I'm slowly adding them to my ignore lists, and I really wish that would also mean they couldn't see my posts.

Most of the people around here are good people, but there are a few I'd rather like to see gone.

Cheers!

Yep. There is a growing trend in that direction. It is annoying. I do not mind criticism of D20, but there are more and more off-color remarks that are simplely meant as insults these days.
 

Quasqueton said:
When I say this, I'm told I'm just paranoid.

The weakness of the ignore list is that it doesn't actually remove the offending material. When someone comes and pees in the community sandbox, it doesn't help to just turn your back on them.

Quasqueton

No, you're not just paranoid, although sometimes you tend to dismiss valid criticism about 3e out of hand.
 

BelenUmeria said:
No, you're not just paranoid, although sometimes you tend to dismiss valid criticism about 3e out of hand.
perhaps too it is style. when Merric says it he doesn't use words like " piss in sandbox "
 

Sometimes the border between:
off-color remarks that are simplely meant as insults
and
valid criticism about 3e
is really blurry. A skilled troll plays in that blurred area. And polite and good intentioned folks can debate the border forever without ever really agreeing on its proper placement.

Quasqueton
 

It seems to me that the boards have become somewhat more argumentative of late. I think that this may be a cyclical event, or may be one of the side effects of having a growing community.

For myself, I think the best I can do is to try to respond in a polite and respectful manner to disagreements. Sometimes, new members of a community can learn from other members who can serve as models. I know that the rules thread is posted in each forum, but perhaps there might be a larger discussion about some of the issues that people have raised in this thread. I think we need to try to keep EN World a place where people feel free to express their opinions. At the same time, I think we need to remember that even if we strongly disagree with another poster, we should give that person the same respect that we wish for ourselves.

I admit that some threads can become very heated. I think that that we have to realize that many of the disagreements are over matters of taste. For example, I cannot in all honesty say that one set of rules on magic is inherently better than another set of rules, let alone more realistic. What I can in all honesty say is that I believe a given set of rules works better for my game than another set, or that I like certain aspects of a rule set for various reasons. In contrast, saying that something is horrible -- without explaining the reasons behind the statement -- tells me very little as someone reading a thread. Similarly, attacking someone else does not really give me any information on a topic. It does tend to make me more skeptical of what someone is stating, as I think it is more important to evaluate the quality of someone's ideas than make personal attacks. (In the cases where I disagree strongly with someone, it is usually over ideas. Personal attacks tend to cause valid points to be ignored, and are a sign to me that it might be a good idea to contact a moderator.)

I don't think any single rule set can please everyone. We all have our indiividual tastes as gamers. However, we can perhaps realize that there is a difference between objective facts (for example, citing errors in a print run) and subjective opinions (such as Company X is greedy and its leaders should be tarred and feathered.) We all have our own opinions and experiences. However, I think we benefit by sharing these opinions and experiences. I think that a good dialogue requires mutual respect and effort to try to understand different view points. Even if we continue to hold the same views, we can at least understand how someone else can have a different viewpoint.


I think that if we want this to be a friendly online community, we need to work at it. One thing that we can try to remember that someone we disagree with is not necessarily an enemy. I don't want to see people feel afraid to post or feel that their opinions will automatically be discarded by their fellow posters.
 

Its cool to not like Wizards. A few years ago it was cool to not like Fast Forward Entertainment. Most people are just doing it because they see others doing it and getting away with it. And then they go home and use the books that they insult.
 

Quasqueton said:
"I don't care to read it because its just a bunch whiners arguing."

Do you think there's any truth in that statement? How do you think non-regulars, or new visitors see this place?

The truth of the matter is that any place where passionate hobbyists of any kind meet, there are going to be some differences of opinion and arguments will ensue.
 

Though there are occasionally whiny threads (or posters, for that matter), on the whole I think ENWorld is full of reasoned discussion/debate than anything else.

As for story hour threads- I've seen one thread go down in flames due to argument between the dm and the players, and I've asked one of my player to edit a post he made in one of my threads that struck me as, hm, sort of an attack shortly after that one went down because I didn't want to see one of my SH threads die due to vitriol. One thread plus one post... and none of the posts involved "yer gAmne is 5toopid" type comments.

I think the SH forum is the 'safest' place to post on ENWorld. :)
 

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