Erik Mona on Paizo Releases and D&D 5E's Impact

Paizo's Erik Mona spoke to ICv2 while at the GAMA trade show about a range of subjects. Much of it is release schedule stuff we already know about (Pathfinder Unchained, Occult Adventures, Hell's Rebels adventure path) but there's also some interesting commentary on the market and the impact of D&D 5th Edition. (thanks to Merric for the scoop!)
Paizo's Erik Mona spoke to ICv2 while at the GAMA trade show about a range of subjects. Much of it is release schedule stuff we already know about (Pathfinder Unchained, Occult Adventures, Hell's Rebels adventure path) but there's also some interesting commentary on the market and the impact of D&D 5th Edition. (thanks to Merric for the scoop!)

Here are the key points. You can read the full interview here.

  • Erik refers to the market as a "post-5th Edition paradigm".
  • D&D 5th Edition has not negatively impacted Pathfinder sales.
  • The general RPG market has been lifted by 5E.
  • May sees the release of Wrath of the Righteous for the Adventure Card Game. These will be more than once a year, but less than two a year.
  • The Strategy Guide is designed as an entry point to the game as a companion to the core rulebook for new players.
  • Pathfinder Unchained is this month!
  • Occult Adventures at Gen Con; "our answer to Psionics".
  • Hell's Rebels in August, an urban AP featuring revolutionaries overthrowing tyrants.
  • 2015 has a similar release pace to 2014.

Pathfinder Unchained -- It’s a treasure trove of optional rules letting the Pathfinder RPG design team loose to do whatever they want, damn the consequences. Here’s an alternate version of combat; here’s a different way to increase your character’s level, really a lot of experimental stuff that players can pick and choose what they want to implement. So maybe you like Pathfinder but you feel it takes too long to make encounters or make monsters, there’s a streamlined version of how to do that in this book.

There’s also revisions on four classes so there’s a revised rogue, revised monk, and a revised barbarian. Now that we’ve done almost 30 classes and we’ve got several years behind us and people think in retrospect, maybe the rogue and the monk are not powerful enough vs. some of the stuff that’s come since, so we’ve retuned those classes and given people an optional version if that’s a concern of theirs. Also the summoner, which is a class that we put out in the Advanced Player’s Guide, very, very powerful class, perhaps even unintentionally so, this is a new version of that brings its power in line with everything else. So that’s a big, huge trove of optional rules, cool alternative takes on different things that people can add to their game.

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Ack, was it really only playtest end for a month and half although having made it into book 4 of the AP I can tell it was given a good once over that paizo usually does.
 

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I don't think PF and 5E are especially competitive. While they both represent a "flavor" of D&D, they are substantially different in system philosophy. PF is a very crunchy system with a strong focus on rules and lots of fiddly bits. 5E is a comparatively light system with a focus on rulings and far fewer bits. I think those people that prefer crunch will gravitate toward PF and others will gravitate toward 5E. There will of course be some cross over, both in play and in sales, but I don't think there is any reason to believe one is going to destroy the other.

On top of it, I think both communities would do well to avoid purposefully ginning up illusions of competition. Everyone benefits when both games are well supported by an invested fan base as well as a strong company. "Hating" Paizo or WotC is a meaningless statement of unreasoned preference that only serves to create divisiveness and turn otherwise productive conversations into arguments. The Edition Wars are over and no one won.
 

I'm a long time fan of Pathfinder, and I still buy some products that interest me, particularly setting-neutral material but not exclusively so since I have collected 5 APs and the base campaign setting book(s). I am also a DM of the BECMI era, and I've DMed AD&D 2nd Ed., D&D 3.0/3.5, and have even tried 4E. I am fully supportive of 5E and I suspect WotC is taking their sweet time to "get things right" so-to-speak (patience, 5E padawans...). Thus, from a business pov, I am a customer of both. I see no reason to choose, because both game systems evolved from a common ancestor that I once knew, and both satisfy my FRPG gaming "needs" differently, separately and without conflict.
 

Paizo has received 20-odd dollars a month from me since August, because I've found a lot of value in their last AP, and the current and upcoming one so far - plus their two big book releases this year. That's around 400 dollars this year and last. Comparatively, Wotc's made something like 130 bucks from me so far? And over the same timeframe probably not much more than that, sheerly by dint of their slower release schedule. If it's working for WotC, great! Because until it isn't, third parties like EN5ider are getting the money I'd be giving WotC. Their cross platform stuff like Sword Coast Legends and Neverwinter I'm sure are cool, but since I really don't play computer games much any more, They aren't as appealing to me....

...though Sword Coast might tempt me if it turns out to be as good of a DMing experience as some WotC insiders are saying.
 
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Not surprised that Paizo has been weathering the release of D&D5 well. To me their greatest move was always that they managed to lay their hands on the Dragon and Dungeon subscriber lists and leverage that into a loyal, recurring revenue stream. It seems as if they manage to keep their subscribers happy with their products, and are therefore not as dependent on trends and fluctuations in the market.
 

The Pathfinder accessories are very useful for 5e GMs too. I don't know how many other 5e GMs use them, but the Face Cards are invaluable to me, even though I'm not running the Paizo adventures that they're ostensibly tied to; I just use the images I like for NPCs in my world.
I'm one of those rare few who plays 5e and PF. As a DM I use a lot of PF products for my 5e games, (the Combat Tracker and flip mats in particular). Once the 5e Conversion Rules get released you'll find more PF and 5e players holding hands :-)
 

I'm a long time fan of Pathfinder, and I still buy some products that interest me, particularly setting-neutral material but not exclusively so since I have collected 5 APs and the base campaign setting book(s). I am also a DM of the BECMI era, and I've DMed AD&D 2nd Ed., D&D 3.0/3.5, and have even tried 4E. I am fully supportive of 5E and I suspect WotC is taking their sweet time to "get things right" so-to-speak (patience, 5E padawans...). Thus, from a business pov, I am a customer of both. I see no reason to choose, because both game systems evolved from a common ancestor that I once knew, and both satisfy my FRPG gaming "needs" differently, separately and without conflict.
I share fully in this philosophy my friend!
 

I'm one of those rare few who plays 5e and PF. As a DM I use a lot of PF products for my 5e games, (the Combat Tracker and flip mats in particular). Once the 5e Conversion Rules get released you'll find more PF and 5e players holding hands :-)

I'm tinkering around with the Gunfighter/fire-arms rules right now... and I have a few of the spells I'm converting from PF to 5th ed as we speak...
 

I'm one of those rare few who plays 5e and PF. As a DM I use a lot of PF products for my 5e games, (the Combat Tracker and flip mats in particular). Once the 5e Conversion Rules get released you'll find more PF and 5e players holding hands :-)
I play and enjoy 5e, 4e, PF, and 3.5, which I would hope wouldn't make me that rare! I do hope 5e and PF push each other to compete and grow the market, that would be a win for everyone.
 

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