Evangelist

[Namfoodle_Yimble]

Hi everyone,

I'm building an Evangelist and I'm having trouble figuring out what the Save DC for Convert the Faithful should be. It says in the description for Great Orator that "Indeed, Evangelist levels stack with bard levels to determine the strength of known Bard songs." Based on how this is worded, would the save DC for Convert the Faithful be 10+Evangelist level+Bard level+Charisma modifier, or would Bard Level not be factored in. It feels possibly broken if you can add the Bard levels, (considering the DC is in the mid to high 20s with a Bard 5/Evangelist 5 build by level 10). However, this ability seems pretty useless at higher levels if it DOESN'T add Bard levels, (A Will DC in the low 20s once you hit level 15 or so seems like an auto pass for any respectable challenge). So how should this be interpreted?

 

[Dandu]

Your bard level does not seem to factor into it.

 

[Namfoodle_Yimble]

That's a shame, I guess if you combine it with Inspire Dread, it at least weakens their will saves to possibly allow you to convert them easier. I hate to see a potentially cool ability get shafted because it's part of a 5 level (or less) PrC

 

[Ahnehnois]

It does not appear the RAW allow for adding anything beyond evangelist class levels to the DC.

I agree that's pretty weak at higher levels. I'd just make the DC 10 + 1/2 (bard + evangelist levels) + Cha or even 10 + 1/2 CL + Cha. I tend to do this sort of thing for most DCs because it's easier. 10 + 1/2 (relevant levels) + ability mod is pretty much the standard for DCs everywhere.

Also, it's Convert the Unfaithful; if they were already faithful, you wouldn't need to convert them. (sorry, pet peeve)