Evasion / Improved Evasion Question

[FuzzyWookie]

At first glance this question seemed silly, and it still may be. But sometimes the rules we assume are correct and the actual rules are very different.

I've searched the PHB, DMG and FAQ for this and found nothing (might be looking in the wrong spot).

Question: Does Evasion gained from one class (say a 2nd level Monk) and Evasion gained from a second class (say a 2nd level Rogue) "stack" to become Improved Evasion?

My first reaction was "Yes, of course it does!" But, upon reading any occurance of Evasion in the book I could find, there was no mention that they stack like Uncanny Dodge from a Barbarian and Rogue do to become Imp. Uncanny Dodge. The section of Multiclass Characters in the PHB only gives the example of Uncanny Dodge and makes no mention of Evasion.

Answers with Page numbers would be most helpful.

Thanks
Fuzzy (Lurker Extraordinaire)

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Nope. They don't stack in such a way.

 

[Deset Gled]

I agree with Patryn, as written they don't stack. Allowing them to stack would be a pretty logical and balanced house rule, though. The only arguement that I can see against allowing it (besides the rules) is that it encourages multiclassing, which some people might not like.

 

[Ceska]

I dunno if I got the question right, but some PrC´s allow the Evasion ability from a core class and the PrC to stack. A quick example is the Halfling Outrider (p.39) and the master Thrower (p.58) in CW /first book at hand... )

 

[FuzzyWookie]

Thanks for your quick responses. That makes sense. Allowing them to stack, a 2nd level Monk/2nd level Rogue to receive Imp. Evasion much sooner than a 9th level Monk or 10th level Rogue could. Makse all the sense in the world.

I knew my brain wasn't working.

Thanks again.

 

[Plane Sailing]

Uncanny dodge from different classes will stack (see Shadowdancer prestige class for an illustration of this), but I've not read anything that enables evasion to stack.

If you think about it, Uncanny dodge stacking isn't too bad because it is difficult to multiclass to get Improved Uncanny dodge more quickly than sticking within your class.

Improved Evasion isn't normally granted until 9th+ level, and allowing stacking would allow a 5th level character to get it.

Cheers

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

I agree with Patryn, as written they don't stack. Allowing them to stack would be a pretty logical and balanced house rule, though. The only arguement that I can see against allowing it (besides the rules) is that it encourages multiclassing, which some people might not like.

The only problem I see with this is that Improved Evasion is usually a pretty high-level ability. Rogues can get it at 10th level, and Monks at 9th.

A Rogue / Monk can get it at 4th.

 

[Lasher Dragon]

What would be your opinions on the cost of a ring that if someone already has evasion, would grant improved evasion?

 

[FuzzyWookie]

I dunno if I got the question right, but some PrC´s allow the Evasion ability from a core class and the PrC to stack. A quick example is the Halfling Outrider (p.39) and the master Thrower (p.58) in CW /first book at hand... )

Thanks for your reply, but I was only thinking of core classes not PrCs. PrCs allowing Evasion to stack makes sense as you would not receive the Imp. Evasion until, usually, 7th level. But to get Imp. Evasion at 4th is just WAY to early.

Thanks again.

 

[Nifelhein]

I think you could rule that a multiclass combination would grant the improved evasion ability at the lowest level one of the classes gets it, still makes them stack but would not make them get t that soon.

Still a house rule though.