Even the Gilmore Girls don't like D&D....

[King_Stannis]

i SAW AN EPISODE OF FREEKS AND GEEKS where the nerd kids got the "popular, cool kid" to join them for a game. The gaming seens were pretty in depth and funny, the "cool" kid ends up putting aside biases and having fun...

beat me to it. i remember that episode, too. it was pretty positive, with the "cool" kid actually liking it.

 

[kenjib]

There was another D&D reference a handful of years back in that Christina Applegate show (EDIT: Was it called Jessie?). She had a boyfriend who played and he brought her to the game. She didn't like it and got herself killed. I thought it was kind of funny, but yes it portrayed the players in a very, very, bad light.

Regarding Gilmore Girls I must say that I really don't care for the show. You can't find 3 seconds of time in that show without at least 5 words being spoken in it. The non-stop chatter chatter chatter wouldn't be so much of a problem if they weren't talking about absolutely nothing most of the time.

"I want my eggs separate from my toast."
"You want your eggs separate from your toast?"
"Yeah, separate."
"Excuse me, these aren't separate. Could I just get them on the side? Except don't just go back and use the same eggs and toast and put them on separate plates because they already touched each other."
"Well if I went back and put them on separate plates and you didn't see me how would you know the difference?"
"Good point. You can go back and put them on separate plates but don't tell me."
"Okay, I'm going to go back and put them on separate plates, but you didn't see me do it."
"Okay that sounds fine as long as I don't see you do it."

AAAAHHHH!!!!! Do I really want to spend 60 minutes of my life listening to a discussion about eggs and toast? Not really worthwhile to me I'm afraid. Yeah, I know that it's character development, but they just talk too much for me. It drives me nuts and I have to leave the room.

 

[D'karr]

Taken out of Context.

Well you know that the two guys trying to hit on the Gilmore Wench could not have been real players.

We all lack the necessary social skills to do anything but play PC games and D&D.

 

[Wormwood]

With few exceptions, Gamers *are* geeks.

Yes it's a stereotype---but it's also true. Why bother getting worked up about it?

I think we should forget the identify politics and aggrieved victim status and just go back to playing games.

 

[Wolfspider]

I beg to differ. It's hardly a universal truth. Before I believe it is, I'm going to have to see some hard statistical evidence.

 

[I'm A Banana]

Mwahahaha!

Hahaha....million dweeb march....hehehe....I can just imagine it. We'll get about a block down and then all get tired because that's the most excersize we've done since learning how to walk.

Good-natured ribbing, I can take. No problem. I can deal with an episode of Futurama having Gary Gygax DMing for Stephen Hawking and the main characters after the universe imploded (or something). I can live with characters on Buffy bickering about James Bond minutuae.

What kinda gets on my nerves is when they imply that, somehow, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT.

I mean there's nothing more wrong with sitting in a basement and wearing funny hats than there is with, say, going to a sports event with your team's logo painted on your head...and it probably happens in about the same percentage (not everyone who enjoys sports paints their head...not everyone who plays D&D wears funny hats).

I can live with statements like "I'm sure those boys are nice, but they're clearly geeks" because, yeah, I am a geek, and you know what, it's OKAY!

I get irked at things that imply there's something wrong with you because of that. Lines like "After she had successfully eluded them, she turned to them, sneered, and said mockingly, "Oh, don't worry, guys! I really do like Dungeons and Dragons." "

Okay, I'm a geek. There's no problem with that. Nothing. I'm not a worse person for it. You're not superior to be because you're not. Get off the high horse, and get an open mind. Stop trying to make yourself feel important, and other people feel like crap, because, you know what, that's the kind of thing that leads to crap like high school suicide rates skyrocketing.

Good natured ribbing? Sure, I can take it. It's funny. Wearing funny hats. Heh. Good one.

But this crosses the line. It's not good natured ribbing, anymore. It's Dork Discrimination. It's making yourself feel better because someone is different. It is ignorant and ethnocentric. And it's this kind of thing that lies at the very foundations of things like racism, sexism, and other bigotries.

Okay, it's just a TV show, and I'm blowing it WAY out of proportion. D&D dorks have never suffered anything anywhere NEAR the sufferings of those of non-Caucasian descent, and the women of many, many descents. It's a much, much lesser scale. No one's ever enslaved us (What would be the point? We'd collapse and die within minutes. )

But it's the same root problem. Just because it's different doesn't mean it's bad. You are no better than me. At least I don't make a big deal out of some friggin' eggs, ya anal-retentive witch.



Sorry if that comes off as virulent, but I think I just figured why sometimes, making fun of D&D is something I can laugh along with, and, sometimes, it's something that just peeves me off. And a TV show is a harmless outlet for my psychological feelings of inadequacy.

 

[Mr. Grimm]

No offense all, but I am not a geek. And the fact that I play D&D doesn't make me one nor any of the guys I play with. Only one of which I might qualify as being somewhat geeky. And now that he's 31 and about to move out of his parents' house maybe he'll recover from geekiness.

Most of the guys (and girls) I've ever played with are normal people with a enough guts to do what they want without worrying what idiots think. Over the years there have been some funny reactions from outsiders, much of which from people claiming to be religious.

Unfortunatly I am somewhat of a closet gamer -- which to me is pretty sad -- but the oddly enough one of the worst things I've seem from the negativity is the backlash from some other gamers towards religion. Although I'm a-religious myself (for my own reasons), I find it sad that families and friends have such ridiculous notions of gaming that they tear relationships apart over it.

It's funny how in this day of so-called Political Correctness, we continue to go to new extremes to offend each other. My SO is an attorney -- you should see her cringe with every anti-lawyer joke out there.

How good can the writers of any show be if they have to insult someone else to get a laugh?

 

[William Ronald]

I have mixed feelings about the Gilmore Girls. Lorelei is very loving, but seems flighty. From what I have seen, she could use psychological counselling.

As for the geek issue, I chose to define myself and don't let others do so.

Getting back to the Gilmore Girls, I find it ironic that a single mother who has been judged bad by others is so judgemental. I guess Lorelei is trying to make the world safe for hypocrisy.

 

[Ridley's Cohort]

Speaking of misconceptions and prejudice against D&D... one of my married players finally found a babysitter so his wife could come play, too. However, the babysitter found out WHY they needed a babysitter and said that we are all going to hell.

Of course.

You can pick up bookoo xp in hell.

 

[Squire James]

Especially in 1st or 2nd edition, where those boys were worth 10x as much xp when killed on their home planes...