Excerpt from the D&D Miniatures Handbook up at the WoTC site

[Dark Jezter]

Another duplicate post.

 

[Dark Jezter]

That's actually a combo I was thinking of, myself, only a little bit, ago. Maybe a Marshal/Paladin of Torm in the Forgotten Realms? He also happens to be a Captain in the Purple Dragons.

Hmm. They're supposed to be coming out with a new Forgotten Realms Player's Guide book or something like that. I wonder if they're gonna take the new classes in this book into account? I'd love to have a couple more options than playing a Paladin of Torm to be able to freely multiclass with Marshal.

Paladins of Torm can multiclass freely as one other class, so I think Marshal would be fitting.

Were I to allow classes from the Miniatures Handbook in my FR campaign, I'd rule that paladins of Helm, Lathander, Moradin, Red Knight, and Siamorphe could multiclass freely as Marshals.

Heck, paladins of Red Knight would make very fitting marshals, since Red Knight is the patron goddess of strategy, planning, and tactics.

 

[Thaumaturge]

From what I read, I think that a "swift" action is a free action that can only be completed once per round - if I remember seeing right, Quickened Spells fall under this catagory.

I'm usually a WoTC fanboy, but did we REALLY need this new type of action added into the D&D lexicon? And if so, why didn't they add this in during 3.5?

Bad form.

Thaumaturge.

 

[d4]

yeah, they could have just called it a free action and noted it can only be used 1/round. we don't really need a new term confusing the matter.

 

[Olive]

Lord, I didn't think it was possible, but WotC actually made me LESS interested in the miniatures because of these additions!

Not only is it stripped down D&D, but it is stripped down, radically altered D&D.

What is the point in this exercise?

I'm confused. What is stripped down and radically altered?

These classes? Look like pretty standard base and Pr classes to me. The spell? The feat?

The minis game is stripped down sure, but radically altered?

The straight DnD stuff from the preview doesn't look like either.

And while the minis game doesn't hold much intrest to me, the straight DnD stuff in the book might, and the minis are cheap and ready to play with, so i'm still interested in them regardless of the minis game itself.

 

[LightPhoenix]

I just want to see Sudden Empower have a prerequisite of Empower Spell, like it should...

 

[Ron]

I'm not verry impressed with the marshal. It seems like a weaker Cleric to me.
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I really don't see the advantage in not taking a cleric unless you want more and different skill choices.

Perhaps you haven't noticed but the Marshal has a completely different feeling than the cleric. I don't like to play clerics to the point that I prefer any class over it. The marshal reminds me the heroes from Warcraft but not D&D clerics in any way.

Is the cleric class more powerful? Who cares? The marshal is pretty cool and I would like to play one sometime.

 

[Olgar Shiverstone]

Interesting. I'd consider the Marshall as a weak fighter, but with value added as a support character among a larger group (like a bard) -- appropriate to a commander-type role. It has some possibilities (though I can see munchiness with multiple marshalls in a party -- overlapping minor auras (three marshalls with different save auras) can be better than major auras (+1 to all saves) since the minor aura is based on Cha bonus). In some ways, I could see the marshall as the core-class analogue to a paladin-as-prestige class

I think Sudden Empower needs to be reworded -- either Empower is a prerequisite (makes sense) or you'll never see anyone take a "normal" metamagic feat again -- they'll take one metamagic feat, and every one thereafter will be of the "sudden" variety -- why not? no prep required and no level adjustment. As is: Broke.

Adding a new action stype? Of all the silliness ... didn't we just try to simplify the system?

 

[d4]

I think Sudden Empower needs to be reworded -- either Empower is a prerequisite (makes sense) or you'll never see anyone take a "normal" metamagic feat again -- they'll take one metamagic feat, and every one thereafter will be of the "sudden" variety -- why not? no prep required and no level adjustment. As is: Broke.

broken? hardly. did you miss the part that says you can only use the feat 1/day?

 

[Knight Otu]

I'm a bit confuzzled about that swift action, and the monsters seem a bit bland, but otherwise, the excerpt seems to be nice.