exClass and spellcasting +1 level of existing class

[Man-thing]

So if I'm an exBard and I take a PRC that adds spellcasting in +1 level of existing class can progress in Bard spellcasting?

 

[Infiniti2000]

What's an exBard?

 

[Man-thing]

An exBard is a Bard who has adopted a Lawful alignment.

 

[Infiniti2000]

I'm not entirely sure I've read through the entire Bard description.

The answer would be Yes. The only restriction is that you can't progress in levels as a Bard. I'd personally (off the cuff anyway) houserule it as No, but then again bards need all the help they can get.

 

[UltimaGabe]

I think it's implied in the rules that you cannot (the PrC says, "you advance as if gaining a level in X" whereas the class says, "You may no longer gain levels in X", and there's no ifs ands or buts about it), and I'm sure any DM who knows what he's doing wouldn't allow it without a good reason. After all, if a Cleric of Pelor becomes Chaotic Evil, and thus gets all of his powers revoked, why should he suddenly be able to use them again when he takes the Radiant Servant of Pelor class? Didn't Pelor just kick him out of his circle?

 

[Man-thing]

After all, if a Cleric of Pelor becomes Chaotic Evil, and thus gets all of his powers revoked, why should he suddenly be able to use them again when he takes the Radiant Servant of Pelor class? Didn't Pelor just kick him out of his circle?

Okay, I read what your saying but I think it might be an extension of the rules for clerics to other classes. The cleric class is very stringent on this and states directly

""A cleric who grossly violates the code of conduct required by his god (generally by acting in ways opposed to the god's alignment...loses all spells and class features, except for armour and shield proficiencies and proficiency with simple weapons. He cannot thereafter gain levels as a cleric of that god until the atones."

whereas the Bard is not a stringent and says...

"A bard who becomes lawful in alignment cannot progress in levels as a bard, though he retains all his bard abilities."

Working from "he PrC says, "you advance as if gaining a level in X" whereas the class says, "You may no longer gain levels in X", and there's no ifs ands or buts about it" will mean that Paladins will never advance in spellcasting if they take a PRC either.

 

[Li Shenron]

If you are an "ex" it means you are at least not progressing in the class' abilities (in same cases, being an ex- implies also losing some of the current features).

A PrCl which lets you advance in the spellcasting of a base class is basically telling you that the character is still "doing her job" of the base class. At least I can imagine a cleric loremaster being essentially spending ~half time in cleric spell-training and the rest in pure loremaster stuff , while a wizard loremaster would keep studying spells as a wizard.

YMMV, but I think that if you are not allowed to advance in bardic abilities, you are not allowed to that even though a prestige class. It's not much a matter of rules to me, but just what it means to be an ex- (and for the record I don't enforce the idea that it's fair to be an ex-bard just because you're lawful).

 

[Thanee]

I would also say, that it doesn't work that way.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Bront]

Can't you technicaly re-bard by changing back to something non-lawful? If so, shouldn't you be able to advance?

There are monk PrCs out there that allow you to be non-lawful and still let you increase your monk abilities.

I don't see it as a problem, as long as you're not specificly advancing in the class.

 

[Scion]

I dont see the problem really. You are not gaining new levels of bard, you are merely increasing your ability to cast spells. The wording of, 'as though you had gained a level of bard' is used to show what your new level of spellcasting is. It is not an actual level of bard so there isnt any problem.

Not progressing in levels of bard? check. Although the other class is increasing your spell ability as though you had. Nothing wrong with that.