Experimenting in the kitchen, again...

Dannyalcatraz

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Tonight's dinner was simplicity itself, a grilled cheese sandwich. But not your garden variety, oh no...

I didn't have any sourdough (my favorite) or feel like using the onion rye we did have (really good stuff from Market Street), even though I love it. I stuck to plain old Mrs. Baird's white bread. And butter was the flavorful pan-greaser and bread flavorer, as is traditional.*


But instead of the more common American, Cheddar or even Velveeta, I went with a smoked blue cheese, shaved and chunked onto the bread. In addition, four slices of Roma tomato were added, as was some cracked black pepper.

Result: pretty tasty, worth repeating. Maybe more cheese, next time. And a slice of ham, smoked turkey, or a couple pieces of bacon would probably boost this into greatness.





* I have read recently, that using mayonnaise along with butter is actually better- not quite as flavorful, but delivering a better texture.
 

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Elf Witch

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Tonight's dinner was simplicity itself, a grilled cheese sandwich. But not your garden variety, oh no...

I didn't have any sourdough (my favorite) or feel like using the onion rye we did have (really good stuff from Market Street), even though I love it. I stuck to plain old Mrs. Baird's white bread. And butter was the flavorful pan-greaser and bread flavorer, as is traditional.*


But instead of the more common American, Cheddar or even Velveeta, I went with a smoked blue cheese, shaved and chunked onto the bread. In addition, four slices of Roma tomato were added, as was some cracked black pepper.

Result: pretty tasty, worth repeating. Maybe more cheese, next time. And a slice of ham, smoked turkey, or a couple pieces of bacon would probably boost this into greatness.





* I have read recently, that using mayonnaise along with butter is actually better- not quite as flavorful, but delivering a better texture.

Sounds good. I am always trying different bread and cheese I will have to try this. I always use mayo instead of butter I like how it browns better and I like the texture.
 

Dannyalcatraz

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I have done more Internet research on the grilling with mayo thing...it seems polarizing, a binary choice. Some swear by it, others hate it. Nobody seems to take a middling path on it.
 


Elf Witch

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I have done more Internet research on the grilling with mayo thing...it seems polarizing, a binary choice. Some swear by it, others hate it. Nobody seems to take a middling path on it.

And, as it so happens, there's a recent Yahoo article on fancy-schmancy grilled cheese sandwich options!

https://www.yahoo.com/food/4-brilliant-ways-to-upgrade-your-grilled-cheese-97819987129.html

It is a polarizing thing in my household. :)

I am always trying new combos one of my favorite is sweet ham, vidala onion slice and baby swiss cheese on challah bread. I am usually not fond of swiss on a grilled cheese sandwich but I do like it with this one.
 

Dannyalcatraz

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After trying a variety of Swiss cheeses over the years I have settled on a simple, classic, big-eye natural Swiss. It's naturally ultra low in sodium- a big plus for me- and it has a dry, nutty finish.

Parrano is another cheese I'm going to look at here: its a hard, dry cheese that has a flavor somewhere between Parmesan and Gouda. It's a go-to cheese for me, and partners extremely well with tomato. This could elevate the classic comfort food combo of a grilled (ham and?) cheese sandwich and tomato soup to new heights.
 

Elf Witch

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After trying a variety of Swiss cheeses over the years I have settled on a simple, classic, big-eye natural Swiss. It's naturally ultra low in sodium- a big plus for me- and it has a dry, nutty finish.

Parrano is another cheese I'm going to look at here: its a hard, dry cheese that has a flavor somewhere between Parmesan and Gouda. It's a go-to cheese for me, and partners extremely well with tomato. This could elevate the classic comfort food combo of a grilled (ham and?) cheese sandwich and tomato soup to new heights.

I made a brie and apple on raisin bread. For this I used butter not mayo and it was wonderful.
 

Dannyalcatraz

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Apple & cheese partner SO well...it's that sweet & tangy combined with the salty dairy. According to a nutritionist, that combo is also very saturating: during digestion, the fruit and cheese combine to form complete proteins, slapping hunger down like it was red meat. Since I learned that, I've used it several times to help others who were having hunger jitters.

When I was a kid, living in Tacoma, Washington, one of my friends' mom made a playtime snack of sliced apple, each wedge topped with a half-slice of American cheese and sprinkled with cinnamon. 3 minutes to make...90 seconds to devour.

Many years later, a restaurant chain called Jojo's used to have something on the menu called the Peasant's lunch: a bottomless bowl of cream of broccoli soup, a slab of garlic toast, chunks of sharp cheddar, and a sliced apple.
 

Umbran

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According to a nutritionist, that combo is also very saturating: during digestion, the fruit and cheese combine to form complete proteins, slapping hunger down like it was red meat.

Small science correction/clarification.

"Complete protein" refers to food that has a full spread of essential amino acids, the amino acids that your body cannot produce for itself. Dietarily, "complete protein" does not refer to a single molecule of protein as being complete, but to the spectrum of amino acid content overall in the food.

The body does *not* change amino acids during digestion. So, "during digestion they combine to form complete proteins," is misleading. Digestion doesn't create proteins at all - your body cannot absorb anything bigger than a tri-peptide, much less a full protein with dozens or hundreds of peptides. Digestion is about breaking proteins down into their constituent parts. It is just that neither food, on its own, provides complete protein nutrition, but together, they do. There's nothing in the digestion process that changes this.

Yes, protein does help satiate feelings of hunger, but the stomach does not measure the completeness of protein. The stomach has to churn proteins more than carbohydrates or fats, whether they are complete or not, so it slows its process of emptying - and that makes you feel satiated. In effect, "I'm not lettin' this stuff go for a while, dude, so slow down with the shovel!!"

Fruit and cheese together does the job well because it has protein (cheese), fiber (fruit) and sugar (fruit), which together create satiation more effectively than say, just sugar and fat from a candy bar.
 

Dannyalcatraz

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Thank you for clarifying what my nutritionist (clearly) dumbed-down for me.;)

(I suspect she did so because she has to for so many on a daily basis.)
 

Umbran

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Thank you for clarifying what my nutritionist (clearly) dumbed-down for me.;)

(I suspect she did so because she has to for so many on a daily basis.)

She has to, I'm sure. But, allowing that situation to persist is being penny-wise, but pound foolish. Misunderstanding of nutrition, and the operation of the body, is a big problem, and it leads to a lot of people taking actions that don't have the results they expect.
 

Dannyalcatraz

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True, it does lead to a corrosion of understanding of & trust in the scientific method, as its practitioners become "high-priests" of a sort. But in a sense, doing it the right way is a Herculean, if not downright Sisyphean task. Eyes start to glaze over...

Is my own fields of expertise, I'm constantly dealing with people who misunderstand fundamentals. For example, they might expect economics to work like physics, but one is a hard science that follows rules that allow you to make extremely accurate predictions, the other is a "social" science that is more descriptive than predictive. Economists can talk in generalities & trends, but beyond that...

After a certain point, you simply tire of taking the time and effort required to correct misapprehensions, even with the ones who might be able to get it. Not everyone has the right stuff to be a teacher, even in the loosest sense of the word.







She could have phrased it better, though, no question.:)
 

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