D&D 5E (2014) Extra Warlock gifts as a feat

[peterka99]

Tempted
You have brushed with the bizarre, skirted the arcane, and/or stepped between the worlds in your time and through some arrangement, temptation, or minor promise, a Patron of power has shared some magical secrets with you.

- You must choose one of the usual Warlock Patrons: Archfey, Fiend, Great Old One. If you are already a Warlock, It should be a different Patron than the one you already made a pact with.

If you accepted the pact:

- You have advantage on all Charisma rolls (interactions, saves, etc...) when dealing with one of the following creatures, depending on their patron: Fey (Archfey), Demons and Devils (if Demon Fiend), Aberrations (if GOO).

- Upon taking this feat, you knows and comprehends the following bonus language, if you don't already: Sylvan (Archfey), Infernal or Abyssal (if Demon Fiend), or Aberration (GOO).

- You can choose a Warlock Cantrip and an invocation without no prerequisite greater than the choosen cantrip. The recharge of this ability is dependent on the Invocation chosen, as detailed in the Invocation's description (found at the end of the Warlock Class section). Charisma is your spellcasting ability.

If you select your existing Patron, you declined the Pact; If you already got a pact boon , your Patron gifted you with a new one. You can otherwise receive any invocation with usual prerequisites and changeability even if you never got a pact boon.


Note: Looks like Elric dabbling with other Patrons in Strombringer novels. Is it an exploit to get invocations or Pact Boon if the player is only Warlock level 1 or 2 ?

 

[steeldragons]

it is fine. But Magic initiate and especially martial adept are also good for existing spellcasters and battle master.

Your version is great for a pact "dabbler", Faust-like. Mine for existing warlock (my original intend). A feat should be fine for everyone...

Oh. Then, my bad. I misunderstood that.

I wasn't under the impression that any feats were constructed for specific classes to take on their own.

They all seem usable by any class to give them a little something a) different than what they can do, e.g. a Fighter taking Magic Initiate or a Wizard taking Skulker or b) Add to what they can do, e.g. a spellcasting class taking Magic Initiate to add a few minor magics or the Battlemaster Fighter taking Martial Adept for a couple extra maneuvers.

There is no "Extra Channeling" Feat to benefit Clerics only, for example. So maybe a feat (as defined in 5e) isn't really the kind of mechanic you are looking for here...which would also explain, to your earlier question, why something like you are suggesting didn't appear in the PHB already.

 

[peterka99]

I wasn't under the impression that any feats were constructed for specific classes to take on their own.

True. The new version above should be better. Good "in touch" for other classes, still good for a warlock. With roleplaying flavor. But some feats are definitely not intended for all classes. Savage Attacker for a wizard or a sorcerer ?


SteelDragons, thanks for your inspiration!

 

[green_destiny]

Tempted
...You can choose a Warlock Cantrip and an invocation without no prerequisite greater than the choosen cantrip, or a Pact Boon. The recharge of this ability is dependent on the Invocation chosen, as detailed in the Invocation's description (found at the end of the Warlock Class section). Charisma is your spellcasting ability.

Getting warlock's invocations as a feat? I protest! Lol. Especially getting mage armor, disguise, silent image, detect magic, night vision on steriods, hold monster... etc. all at-will for a feat? common. Keep them warlock exclusive please. Call me a selfish warlock but... I am. Lol.

If you select your existing Patron, you declined the Pact; Your Patron gifted you with a (new) Pact Boon or any invocation with usual prerequisites and changeability.

So if take this feat then dip 1-2 warlock levels then I get to keep 2 pact boon (old+new)? I can have pact of chain (invisible familiar) + pact of blade (magic weapon at-will) while pure warlocks only get to have one pact?

Is it an exploit to get invocations or Pact Boon if the player is only Warlock level 1 or 2 ?

Yes exploitation and eye-brow raising for warlocks.

 

[steeldragons]

Not "invocations", invocatioN. Singular. And a singular warlock cantrip.

And, at least as I read it, about half of them are off limits because they have a prerequisite that is more than "capable of casting the eldritch blast cantrip." Taking those off the table, you have even fewer to choose from.

At Will, requiring Eldritch Blast cantrip: Agonizing Blast, Repelling Blast, & Eldritch Spear.
At Will, choose 1 and you can take any other 1 Warlock cantrip you want: Armor of Shadows, Beast Speech, Devil's Sight, Eldritch Sight, Eye of the Rune Keeper, Fiendish Vigor, Gaze of Two Minds, Mask of Many Faces, Misty Visions.
Beguiling Influence gives you proficiency in Deception & Persuasion.
Gaze of Two Minds is at will but requires touch and only lasts until your next turn, and you are blind and deaf yourself while perceiving through the other creature's senses. Frankly, I don't quite see the point or usefulness of this power. But it doesn't have a prereq.
Thief of Five Fates is only once between long rests.

That doesn't seem so much/out of whack with other feats. Yes, it's an at will power, but so are the 2 cantrips you get from Magic Initiate. So are the maneuvers and skills of other feats.

The Pact Boon business, that does seem like a power grab...and is not really in keeping with the flavor of the class, as presented, to my mind. I would likely not use it...but that seems to be what peterka99 is looking for. So I wish him happy gaming with it.

 

[green_destiny]

Yes but for me, even one at-will level 1 spell invocation is a bit OP for a feat.

Thief of Five Fates is only once between long rests.

Yes and such spells uses a warlock spell slot too! Due to the limited invocation slots of a warlock, it kinda sucks that some of them require long rests to be used again (thus effectively using that limited invocation AND warlock spell slot). The warlock spell slot I can regain within the day but not that invocation slot.

I know their quite potent but I hope they just limited it to a short rest or once per encounter. Makes me just want to pick only utility or defensive invocations that i can use repeatedly the whole day, the overall gain seems more efficient?

Again every spell/invocation slots of a warlock counts.

 

[peterka99]

No pact boon anymore. Pact blade is a must-have for a warrior class as is; now the warrior must take 3 levels of warlock.

A second pact boon for a warlock. Why not ? A requirement is no already got a first one from the regular patron.
Updated.

 

[steeldragons]

A second pact boon for a warlock. Why not ? A requirement is no already got a first one from the regular patron.
Updated.

Well, to my thinking, the Pact Boon is part and parcel of the Warlock [full] class. It does not stipulate that you gain more as you level up. You have a Patron...you form a Pact with them: Chain, Tome, Blade. That's how you are linked and serve that patron...it's how you are going to carrying out/manifest "your end of the bargain" as a Warlock, so to speak. It's not just another power, like a spell or invocation, that can be continually gained/granted. Otherwise it would have been explained/detailed that a PC could "pick up" additional boons as they progress through their "career/service" as a Warlock.

So, to my view, supported by how the class was designed, it goes against what a Warlock is/how it works. They get 1 Pact [Boon]. To grant them another, whether from the same patron or a different one, is just looking for additional power in a meta-game way...not the flavor/expectation of the class...and thus, would seem to be seeking to purposely imbalance the class/make it OP'd.

 

[peterka99]

and thus, would seem to be seeking to purposely imbalance the class/make it OP'd.

I think the feat is fine as is or otherwise with pact boon removal. No further discussion... There is hundreds of pages on lot of forums around the world on how some PHB feats are OP, so it is now a philosophical and unsolvable issue .

 

[steeldragons]

I think the feat is fine as is or otherwise with pact boon removal. No further discussion... There is hundreds of pages on lot of forums around the world on how some PHB feats are OP, so it is now a philosophical and unsolvable issue .

As you wish. Just responding, philosophically, to you. You did ask "Why not"?

In retrospect, I see how it could have been meant rhetorically.