Falling off the 4ed bandwagon

[Scribble]

Find a game you want to play, or make the game be one you want to play.

Buy into "What you want is nostalgia anyway, and you can never recapture it" and it will become the truth.

I actually completely agree... As one example- For years I was bored bored bored of the monsters in the game... 4e brought that original "ooooohhhh monster!"ness back for me, because of the way the monsters are set up.

I still think nostalgia plays a bit, but that's equally true for everything in life.

 

[Raven Crowking]

I actually completely agree... As one example- For years I was bored bored bored of the monsters in the game... 4e brought that original "ooooohhhh monster!"ness back for me, because of the way the monsters are set up.

I still think nostalgia plays a bit, but that's equally true for everything in life.

Kewl Beans!

I am sure that, for everyone who dislikes Game X, there will be at least one more who finds just what he or she is looking for. Life is too short for games you aren't enjoying. Thankfully, there are a lot of games out there. If one isn't just right for you, you can always Frankenstein a bunch of them together until you have what you want!


RC

 

[Scribble]

Kewl Beans!

I am sure that, for everyone who dislikes Game X, there will be at least one more who finds just what he or she is looking for. Life is too short for games you aren't enjoying. Thankfully, there are a lot of games out there. If one isn't just right for you, you can always Frankenstein a bunch of them together until you have what you want!


RC

Heh I don't think I've ever actually played a game 100% as written in the books... Maybe the first year or so of basic OI played? But after that it was Advanced Basic D&D (basic with lots of stuff stolen from AD&D) then some 1.75 (2e with lots of stuff from 1e) then 2.75 (3e with lots of stuff from 2e) then 3.75 (3.5 with elements of 3e...)

Even my current 4e games are influenced by a lot of older system material.

 

[Truename]

The easiest thing to do would be to assign a penalty to the attack roll if the player doesn't describe the PC's action. -4 for no description, -2 for a boring one.

Combat takes long enough as it is. Perhaps a damage bonus instead, to make up for the extra time required to think up and use detailed descriptions?

 

[Chrono22]

What moves this away from a friendly discussion about what systems do what well is, IMO, your last assertion that the only way through social and exploration-style play in 4e is to hack your way through it. That's a little uncalled-for.

-O

I understand people get emotionally invested with their characters/campaigns, but 4e (or any gaming system) doesn't need people to defend it. It's not a person, its feelings won't get hurt.
It's called-for because that's what he believes. If you disagree with his assertions and want to make him see the error of his ways, then show him with a positive argument in support of your views. Telling him his opinions are uncalled for is uncalled for.

 

[Dausuul]

It's called-for because that's what he believes. If you disagree with his assertions and want to make him see the error of his ways, then show him with a positive argument in support of your views.

Which is how edition wars start.

We were doing so well...

 

[Chrono22]

Which is how edition wars start.

We were doing so well...

I thought editions wars start because people hop into threads and shout "edition war!" without reading the content of the posts?
If making a positive claim that pertains to your own belief about a topic inevitably leads to edition war, then every thread on this site is an edition war.
OMG!

^Not that I'm implying you did so... but if someone takes issue with a claim, challenge the claim don't disrepute the post.

 

[BryonD]

(Did you know that Socrates railed against the newest technology of his time -- writing things down -- the way that some modern people rail against computers and electronics? He thought that not having to memorize every little tidbit of information would make people stupid and lazy, which is probably true to a certain degree.)

I see your (light hearted) appeal to authority and raise you.
(Did you know that Einstein basically said that memorizing things that could be easily looked up was waste of mental energy)

 

[Dausuul]

I thought editions wars start because people hop into threads and shout "edition war!" without reading the content of the posts?

Okay, to be more specific: "Showing people the error of their ways," even with the best intentions, when the subject is something like "[In 4E] you hack your way in and hack your way out of just about everything," is how edition wars start.

 

[keterys]

It's called-for because that's what he believes. If you disagree with his assertions and want to make him see the error of his ways, then show him with a positive argument in support of your views. Telling him his opinions are uncalled for is uncalled for.

People can have whatever opinions they want, but saying those opinions in an inflammatory manner is never a good idea on a messageboard. Whether it's a knitting, cooking, gaming, or whatever board.

So, the manner in which he said his opinion was uncalled for, not the having the opinion in the first place. People should try to understand the way in which their words can and will be interpreted and coach their postings accordingly. Especially when posting about something subjective that will surely invite someone to post an opposing and argumentative viewpoint (Hint: Folks RP in every system. Don't try to knock their ability to RP in any version of D&D, Rifts, Mechwarrior, Amber, or even Chess. It's just not worth opening that kettle)

Not that bringing it up is necessarily a good tactic, either, which is why I ignored it initially myself. But chastising someone for chastising him? Not going to improve matters either. So, hey, let's all just chill out and stay civilized.