Famine Spirit, Fatling, Corpulent - in poor taste or not?

Famine Spirit, Fatling, Corpulent - in poor taste or not?

  • I definitely believe it to be in poor taste

    Votes: 3 3.0%
  • I conditionally believe it to be in poor taste (explain)

    Votes: 5 5.1%
  • I am ambivalent on the subject

    Votes: 12 12.1%
  • I conditionally believe that it is not in poor taste (explain)

    Votes: 11 11.1%
  • I definitely believe that it is not in poor taste

    Votes: 66 66.7%
  • Other (explain)

    Votes: 2 2.0%

kenjib

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These creatures are all based on the concept of something indulging in gluttony to the point where they become massively obese. In the case of the corpulent PRC, as he increases in level he can absorb people into his giant belly and suffocate them. I think all of them are described as eating pretty much everything they can get their hands on.

Famine Spirit: Monster Manual II
Fatling: Creature Collection
Corpulent: Libram Equitis

I am curious as to whether people find this kind of concept in poor taste or not. It seems to be a popular concept for d20, coming already from three at least different publishers in various forms (has anyone seen another one?). Is it offensive to conflate morbid obesity with evil and repulsiveness? Do you find this concept to be in poor taste?
 

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Borderline troll here, but ...

I conditionally believe that it is not in poor taste. The movie Shallow Hal - that was poor taste.

Using a creature like this to perpetuate a stereotype WOULD be in poor taste. These creatures need to be pertrayed as extra-natural.

That said, gluttony is one of the major sins right? This fantasy brand of gluttony is way different than having a weight problem or an eating disorder, if only by a matter of degree. These creatures are way beyond the spectrum of anything "normal". You just can't compare an overweight man of 400lbs. VS. a 12' high 6000lbs monstrosity.

You should have seen my PC's run like frightened children away from the Fatling they encountered -- hoody hoo! And i was proud of them - there were No fat jokes exchanged that night.
 
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Not really.

But then, I have an unnaturally high metabolism, which allows me to eat Junk food all day and never get fat. It's like...my superpower or something. That might make me biased. (I don't think it would, but you never know)

I also have many fat friends, and from what I know of them, they'd most likely say somehing like "See? Now you can't call me fat anymore." So if they wouldn't find it in bad taste, I don't think I should.
 

BigFreekinGoblinoid said:
Borderline troll here, but ...

I'm sorry if it seems like that. It wasn't my intent. If this thread is troublesome I hope the moderators will feel free to delete it entirely.
 

I'm overweight. ~330 lbs, to be exact. Not happy about it, trying to loose it (down 20 lbs in the last few months), but I am.

I also don't care about those monsters... Actualy, I used one once. It's just another monster to me. If you try to make stuff so that it could never, concievably, resemble any real person, and thus not be in poor taste... well, you would end up with a bland game, I think.
 

Tsyr said:
I'm overweight. ~330 lbs, to be exact. Not happy about it, trying to loose it (down 20 lbs in the last few months), but I am.

Congratulations and good luck. I lost a bit last year and this year plan to lose the rest. It is not easy.

On subject- It is no more offensive then a rotting corpses walking towards someone.

SD
 

Tsyr said:
If you try to make stuff so that it could never, concievably, resemble any real person, and thus not be in poor taste... well, you would end up with a bland game, I think.

No, you'd end up with the average action movie villain of the 90's, in which nothing is so evil as a well-spoken British man.

:)

Seriously, it's all in the execution. It could be done poorly, but it isn't offensive by itself, in my view.
 

Among my extensive collection of miniatures is something called a "Hunger Elemental" (Iron Wind Metals, for those who do the mini thing).

The miniature is horrifically gaunt.

Between miniatures, gaming and just general fantasy fiction, I've seen pretty much an even mix of ravenous, supernatural hunger being visually represented by either morbid obesity or cadaverous, skeletal thinness. I don't find either one to be offensive; they're both classic visual images that convey not just hunger, but unnatural, insatiable hunger. Heck, disease is often associated with evil in fantasy literature and especially D&D; I've never assumed that's a value judgement against those people who are unlucky enough to suffer from a disease.

Honestly, the "black-skinned elves evil, fair-skinned elves good" standard of drow vs. standard elves has been around for years, and I don't think it's turned any D&D players into racists. I doubt that anybody's going to get the wrong impression from supernatural creatures of hunger that are depicted as way too skinny or way too fat.
 

The way I see it, if you are a large person and the depiction of similarly-shaped creatures as "monsters" offends you, perhaps you should skip on your next Big Mac and donate that money to a charity that feeds people who are actually starving .

Try http://www.foodforall.org for an example of such a charity.
 

Cool -- thanks for the feedback everyone. It looks pretty much unanimous so far. The reason why I asked is that I wrote this up last night and was wondering if it was too much. Judging by the response here I think it should be alright.


The Isle of Avarice
The priest-merchants of Baloch, god of gluttony & avarice, live on this island. The island is also home to a great number of slaves, who both serve the priest-merchants and are exchanged in trade. Outsiders are decidedly unwelcome here. Trespassing is expressly forbidden and punishable by death. Few can make the claim to have visited this isle as anything other than a slave.


Baloch: Baloch-of-a-million-slaves is the god of avarice and gluttony, whose priesthood lives on the Isle of Avarice. His dreaded priest-merchants strike terrible bargains with those who are too careless in their anxiousness to get a great deal. It is said that those who sell their soul to Baloch will serve him for all eternity in the afterlife, where he sits, a massive mountain of flesh, with thousands of damned souls to fulfill his every need. Baloch consumes the souls of the damned at an astounding rate, but those consumed are not granted the peace of oblivion. They are cursed to return to his service, where they will begin their morbid cycle of servitude yet again.


The Priest-Merchants of Baloch

BELIEFS
The priest-merchants of Baloch, god of avarice and gluttony, are bloated and immensely wealthy. Dark ships that make no sound as they glide through the water slip into port and trade with mainlanders. They offer great bargains but with terrible hidden costs, luring their targets with promises of anything and everything while using immensely complex contracts which they twist to their advantage. Too often a person finds that he has unwittingly sold his soul to the service of Baloch in the afterlife, a fate for which no reward in the temporal world could ever compensate. Some merchants from the mainland follow this cult in secret, and have more beneficial arrangements with the priests in exchange for them helping to set up new victims and gather intelligence.
The history of the priest-merchants is largely shrouded in mystery, as are the rites of their religion. Indeed there is even speculation that the priest-merchants are not altogether human...

ORGANIZATION
If there is any order or hierarchy to the priest-merchants, it is certainly never seen by the uninitiated. The priest-merchants have an unearthly sense of common purpose, and have never been seen to disagree, argue, or exert authority over one another. The black ships that they sail are crewed by slaves under the close supervision of a small cabal of the merchant-priests. These slaves are often former clients.
The priest-merchants are also served on their island home by a great number of slaves. These unfortunates must attend to their every need, and there are a great many needs. The priest-merchants always remain seated and exerts as little effort as possible in all ways. Servants feed them, bathe them, clothe them, carry them from place to place, and perform every other action that is in their capacity to perform. For a priest-merchant to take a single step on his own would be one of the greatest humiliations possible – perhaps second only to being outsmarted in a contract negotiation.

RELATIONS
The priest-merchants are utterly scrupulous in following the letter of the law, but twist it’s intent so cruelly that their actions are always of the sort that seem they should be illegal, but never are. As a result, while countless rulers and bureaucrats despise them utterly, they invariably have a great deal of trouble finding reason to incriminate them (and even fear doing so for their dread reputation). Thus, the priest-merchants remain free to enter many of the ports across Haalyr. The priest-merchants of Baloch do not visit Namarundi though, as by order of the king they are to be slain instantly if caught within Namarundian waters. The priest-merchants of Baloch do not seek confrontation, and when presented with an obstacle such as this simply seek more willing victims. They likewise never engage in a fight, relying on guards and servants to do it for them.
 

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