Fantasy Sex Roleplaying Game Releases October 2003

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My question is...

...how in the world you DM {BSDM?} a game like this in front of actual, living, breathing people?

How would the participants keep a straight {or bent, if that's your persuation} face during the game sessions. Joking is a problem at every gaming table I've been it over the course of 17 years... it boggles the mind what a fantasy RPG whose central focus is sexuality would be like in play.

Would you have to buy the DM a few drinks before each session?

I've DM scenes of flirtation, sexual tension, crossed gender lines with NPC's and it can be great fun. But I couldn't imagine doing it all the time...
 

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Farganger said:
Interesting! The "fully detailed player character merchant rules" just leapt out at me.

Having spent a good bit of my life in "business" - I must say that the publication being discussed in this thread, for all its potential flaws, at the very least promises more interesting diversion than assuming the role of a banker or carpet merchant. :)
:) That's my career, actually - I'm a senior financial analyst and CMA.

But, in a roleplaying environment, I somehow see PCs acting as merchants during their adventuring travels (you're going somewhere, so why not make some money while you're at it; as well, we've all heard stories of adventurers who set up inns as a side-line business) as coming up far more often than sex (with a whole book about it!) during a D&D gaming session.

If that's not the case, then I stand by my previous comment about detaching myself from the D&D community...
 

Bendris Noulg said:
Glad to hear it!

I'd certainly like to have AV show up to comment, regardless, as too often the assumption of tastelessness is tossed about.

Well what should he expect by the press release? His stated qualifications for this book are fetish and the occult. By saying this, he is stating that he will apply this realm of expertise toward the book content. He also references his photographer's gallery which contains content definitely on the bleeding (yuck yuck :) ) edge of erotic art. Honestly, how should he expect us to read a press release like that?

I don't think it's at all unfair to expect the book to cover the content very clearly implied in the press release. Do you really think it is?

If the assumption is unfounded and the book isn't really about these things, then my guess is that it's intentionally misleading. The same cheap marketting tactic worked for both BoVD and Dragon #300, after all.
 

1) The 'normal' d20 license does not allow you to indicate compatability with Dungeons & Dragons.

2) The press release clearly states compatability with D&D.

3) AV helped write the OGL and d20.

I must therefore conclude that AV has entered a special agreement with WOTC and he is _not_ using the general d20 license.

This is weird because I would have thought WOTC would not have gone for this type of thing.
 

Ghostwind said:
Here's a thought to throw out amongst the wolves...

Would you rather have seen Avalanche with their track record of racy covers do a book like this or have someone like Anthony who is likely to approach the subject in a mature and adult manner?

I have no reason to belive that a self styled occultist and BDSM wierdo who contracts with a bloodsport photographer with low technical expertise will aproach this subject in a mature manner.

He starts the whole thing off by mentioning how we all used to picture Arwen nekkid. How mature. NOT!

Boris Vallejo art might have made me consider otherwise, but no.

Oh, and I love how his last point in the tip sheet is that there is a growing desire for face-to-face relationships away from computer screens. As if an erotic D&D session is just what our fragmented and alienated society needs. :mad:
 

Oni writes:
I just have to ask. Why???

Seriously do any of you have a need in your game for this sort of supplement?
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No, not an overwhelming need.

On the other hand, the homebrew campaign world I’ve been playing and DMing in for several years _does_ include (or has included) carnal magicians (wizards employing sexually-based magic), bluebooked sex scenes involving two married players, and creatures and situations drawn from the original “Guide to Carnal Knowledge.”

A resource guide of this nature is not necessary, but it would be useful, provided – as others on this thread have mentioned – that it deals with the topics in an adult manner. I would want this product to provide ideas and inspirations more than it might rules.

Sex mechanics for D&D would indeed be a waste of time, as these things can always be handled better through dramatic roleplaying. Prestige classes employing sex magic, though, or statistics for creatures of a carnal nature, or descriptions of societies where both sex and magic exist (and if they exist, sooner or later they will be combined), and just overall a meta-discussion of possible sexual situations in the game as the topic evil is addressed in _The Book of Vile Darkness_ would not be bad additions
 

I tried not to post about this, really I did.... ok, I held back for a couple of hours though...

If this is a book on erotic fantasy, and is about what sex is like in a fantasy world (call me silly, but isn't it pretty much the same as in the real world), then why is the sample art an elf (half-elf?) in a bikini that is part naugahyde, part light chainmail peering cautiously down what is presumably a dungeon hall with about a third of her sword coated in red blood? What does that have to do with sex in a fantasy setting at all?

After seeing the liberal use of blood and other viscous fluids on the site of the photographer, as well as the indications that Anthony's experience with an Oregon based bondage group somehow adds to his qualifications to do a book on the erotic side of fantasy gaming, I do not believe that what we are going to get will be much more than a "coffe table" book of elf porn. Kind of like Madonna's "Sex" book meets "The Quintessential Elves Handbook." On the other hand I do believe that Anthony has the skills necessary to make the book more than that, but the article and the indicators so far don't lead me to believe it will be.

The photographer has a palpable dearth of male models on his site (can we say "dearth" on ENWorld?). While his direction and artist's eye are not that great, his technical expertise is very good (his butterfly shots are stunning). His models for the most part seem to be bored and do not evoke the mood of the scenes he places them in. If the same carries through to the D20 book, you'll have bored looking young women in various poses looking like they'd rather be at a rave or the mall.

To address one of the previous posters, perhaps the biggest failing of the D20 movement is that it does not really inspire publishers to put out what's needed. Instead they put out what everyone seems excited about. When Twin Crowns came out, people got excited at the prospect of naval adventuring, in very short order a handful of books based on that came out. People were excited by PrC's so dozens of PrC splat books are produced. People were excited over unusual settings, look at all the unusual settings coming out. Many DM's want and need economic primers and books on making the day to day existence of their players seem more realistic, they want to make the game a more immersive experience, but instead of getting useful material on how to do that, they get more pandering and munchkinism. The problem is that unless there is a "buzz" about a particular thing DM's want, there is no impetus to produce it. "Buzz"=word of mouth advertising=increased sales. That's why you will see more books about what faeries look like getting it on with dwarves before you will see them on how to lay out the countryside surrounding a major city in your world so that it can realistically support the population of that city.

I don't need a book of D20 erotica, I certainly don't need one that gets to claim compatability with WoTC products when so many excellent products cannot. I don't like peanut butter in chocolate chip cookies, and I don't like actors who try to foist their political agendas on me, not even if I agree with them. I have a sex life, I have a gaming life, I don't need them to cross pollinate, thanks anyway.
 

heirodule said:
I have no reason to belive that a self styled occultist and BDSM wierdo --snip--
People who live in glass castles shouldn't throw polyhedral dice...

Really, this isn't anything to get angry about. While I have no reason right now to believe this product will be anything but a train-wreck, I have to admit I'm a little curious, albeit mainly because it seems so unworkable.

And there's always been a pornographic/BSDM subtext to genre entertainment {femme fatales, bug-eyed monsters absconding with girls in see-through spacesuits, Boris Vallejo's Amazon's in iron lingerie, Anne Rice's or better Laurel K. Hamilton's saucy vampires}. In an odd way its about time...

And for those who want to dismiss this as mere {hmmm, full-on Devil's advocate mode engage} pornography, remember that a defining characteristc of porn is that it is comsumed alone. This product is meant to be participatory --it practically demands one risk embarrassment.

I'll give its creators points for moxie, that's for sure.
 
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Well.... my first response was to giggle about the idea. Then I found out its legit and saw the website of the photographer.


That said maybe I can convince them to do some Yugoloth photomorphs *cough*pr0n*cough*... especially the furry spellcasting kind. ;)

*ignores the rest of this thread and stares at self in the mirror*
 

ooooo! Larry takes the gloves off and lays down some smack! ;)

Larry Fitz said:
Many DM's want and need economic primers and books on making the day to day existence of their players seem more realistic, they want to make the game a more immersive experience, but instead of getting useful material on how to do that, they get more pandering and munchkinism. The problem is that unless there is a "buzz" about a particular thing DM's want, there is no impetus to produce it. "Buzz"=word of mouth advertising=increased sales. That's why you will see more books about what faeries look like getting it on with dwarves before you will see them on how to lay out the countryside surrounding a major city in your world so that it can realistically support the population of that city.

I agree with everything in your post, but I have a question. Are you guys gonna make a book on fantasy economics? That would be great!

I would actually love to see a book that re-writes the entire D&D economy from the bottom up, including the gear prices. The D&D economy is so screwed up from the bottom up that it seems like it would be difficult to patch it together and produce a quality supplement without a fundamental upheaval.
 

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