Fantasy Sex Roleplaying Game Releases October 2003

[BlackWych]

The press release doesn't say that it was "satanic", or even say "cult", but does leave a lot to the imagination as to how these "experiences have guided him in the creation of this product".

"Anthony Valterra helped found a fetish club (Oregon Guild Activists of S/M) and an occult church (Church of the Blood Red Moon) as well as engaging in a wide variety of other unusual adventures. He has used these personal experiences to guide him in the creation of this product."

Some how I don't see the church of the Blood Red Moon as a church for good. It sounds more like Malar worshipers. However satan or malar or whatever the man has some serious issues.

 

[MeepoTheMighty]

Some how I don't see the church of the Blood Red Moon as a church for good. It sounds more like Malar worshipers. However satan or malar or whatever the man has some serious issues.

Or, you know, he doesn't. There are thousands of people in bd/sm groups, and thousands of people in pagan religions. Just because you're not familiar with either of them doesn't mean that he "has issuses."

 

[JeffB]

I REALLY didn't need a rundown on AV's personal-life "Adventures" as some kind of indication on the quality of the book.

Is there a PUKE Smiley?

 

[Simplicity]

Please don't shut the thread down, PC.... This is the juiciest news ENWorld has had in a while. It would be a shame to have it all go away... I will try to be civil.

This depends on your definition of deviancy. Some perople define homosexuality as deviancy. Yes, it is deviant from the majority of the population, but there are a number of consenting adults who would argue that its just fine for them.

Fine. I have no problem with anything sexual that consenting adults do in their bedroom.

Anything having to do with children is simply wrong, illegal, and evil. If the general public ever tries to embracce child porn, child rape, or any other sexual acts involving children, I'll become a die hard conservative republican. Of course neither of these things are actually likely to happen.

Exactly. Consenting adults in the privacy of their own home... Why should anyone care? Why does there need to be a deviancy label? Anyone else readSalon around here? There are some great discussions about sexual privacy and Sen. Santorum's comments about homosexuality lately there on this very topic. What exactly brought the term deviancy into this discussion anyways? It wasn't about child pornography or rape. That's my problem with the word "deviant." You just placed AV into the same category as rapists... Why? Because he's part of an S/M club? They're
consenting adults!

I'm sorry if I'm skirting the boundaries of "no politics in ENWorld," I just hate to see such a nasty backlash against someone just because he (essentially) came out of the closet.

 

[Olive]

Some how I don't see the church of the Blood Red Moon as a church for good. It sounds more like Malar worshipers. However satan or malar or whatever the man has some serious issues.

Or is practising his right to engage in what ever religious and sexual practices he sees fit, as a consenting adult with other consenting adults?

Who has issues?

 

[Olive]

Anyone else readSalon around here?

yes.

 

[Kichwas]

Or is practising his right to engage in what ever religious and sexual practices he sees fit, as a consenting adult with other consenting adults?

I wonder if this was done as a protective measure. With all of that Red Moon stuff out of the closet, if WotC goes after him for putting out this book, he can claim religious persecution...

Technically, the supreme court has already ruled (Bowers v. Hardwick, 1986) that you don't have a right to engage in the sexual practices of your choice in the privacy of your home with consenting adults. In fact, there's a current case before them where they've been asked to re-rule on this issue. One concerning a Texas sodomy law (Lawrence v. Texas, 2003).

 

[Dr. Confoundo]

Woo-hooo!

Sounds like that Gnomish Kama Sutra we've all been clamoring for is about to become a reality.

"And we call this position 'The Lazy Mind-Flayer and the Jolly Aboleth'... No, stretch your tentacles just a litlle more..."

Doc

 

[alsih2o]

lol.....



6 hours later- lol

 

[caudor]

First off, I'm all for free speech.

At the same time, I'm very concerned about this topic as well. I looked at those bloody pictures (literally), and then thought about the group of 15-year-old kids I just introduced to D&D.

Speaking of kids...have you ever introduced a kid to D&D? Have you ever felt the need to make clarifications to a parent or friend that things are all OK...insuring them the vocal minority is wrong about the 'dark side' of D&D? It has been a long time since I've had to 'defend' the game, and I hope it stays that way.

As long as this stuff stays out of reach of kids (out of easy reach in local gaming shops) and doesn't get associated with D&D via CNN or some other mass media outlet, then I have no problem with folks enjoying the stuff.

I wish AV luck on his venture (I value his freedom to do so), but I do worry about the overall impact to the hobby...and mostly the kids.

I hope many in this forum are right; I hope there is no impact at all.