Assenpfeffer
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One of the funny things about this is the talkback attached to the gamingreport article. WotC is apparently to blame.
Fantasy Sex Roleplaying Game Releases October 2003
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Tyler Do'Urden
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Bulletproof said:
NOTHING increases sales like bad press. All one needs to do is look at Marilyn Manson, Eminem, or any thug rap star to notice this effect. Not to mention Michael Moore's films as of late.
Valterra is a business guy, and he thinks controversy would be good for sales- and I agree. Completely.
Anyone who has been involved with Thelemic or Neo-Tantric occult religions doesn't even need to ask that question.
fnork de sporg said:
Even if it's FATAL with pictures?
Why doesn't he cut to the chase and just release it as a photo gallery book? How many people will actually buy it for anything other than the pictures? I do think that it's a clever ploy to increase distribution channels though.
Also, how does founding an occult church give someone great experience for making a book on sex? Perhaps it had sex rites. If that's the case, is the focus of this book on sex or is the focus of this book on fetishism and occult sex magic? Both? Did anyone else look at the photographer's gallery? It's full of blood, self-mutilation, and skin-flayed cow heads. Is that an indication of what to expect in the book?
Has anyone else ever had to deal with people getting the completely wrong idea when you say "roleplaying games?" Well before long it might not be the wrong idea after all!
Actually - a thought. Perhaps this book is specifically meant to bridge the gap between rpgs and "that other kind of roleplay." Hmm.... A completely untapped market segment? So maybe it will include variant rules for player participation/LARP activities.
*shiver*
I'm afraid.
Very afraid.
EDIT: Portion of this post moved by myself to the meta-forum. If you want to discuss the appropriateness of some of the links in the press release vis-a-vis Eric's Grandmother, then go there.
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Voneth said:
Changeling & Mage, huh? That'd be why I missed them. With the WW/WOD stuff, I looked at Vampire, then Werewolf, and then gave everything else a pass. The White Wolf stuff just ain't to my liking (well, the Sword & Sorcery Studios/Necromancer Games d20 stuff is technically White Wolf stuff, but I digress).
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Dareoon Dalandrove
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Ok since this is in fact real...
I don't think that this contributes to the gaming world in any real way. No matter how many people complain about the splat books or how this company or that doesn't measure up. They all still furture the goals of a vibrant, interseting, and fun world to adventure in. A book about sexuality, particularly this one, doesn't fit any of that criteria. Some people may want rules to deal with pregnancy or STD's. Ok that is fine. But this just goes a bit too far.
The photographer for this project site www.hypnox.com has some very disturbing photo's. I'm made of stern stuff, but again how far is too far?
I don't think that this will be anything more than a curiosity. People may buy it but overall it won't set the charts on fire.
I would suggest a book on weather if AV is looking for something to do. Rules for getting sick from prolonged adventures in the rain or the harsh desert evironments would be much more useful.
I don't think that this contributes to the gaming world in any real way. No matter how many people complain about the splat books or how this company or that doesn't measure up. They all still furture the goals of a vibrant, interseting, and fun world to adventure in. A book about sexuality, particularly this one, doesn't fit any of that criteria. Some people may want rules to deal with pregnancy or STD's. Ok that is fine. But this just goes a bit too far.
The photographer for this project site www.hypnox.com has some very disturbing photo's. I'm made of stern stuff, but again how far is too far?
I don't think that this will be anything more than a curiosity. People may buy it but overall it won't set the charts on fire.
I would suggest a book on weather if AV is looking for something to do. Rules for getting sick from prolonged adventures in the rain or the harsh desert evironments would be much more useful.
mkarol
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Bulletproof said:
Here's a thought... I do see that the project is publishing under the OGL, but could the Valar Project be a sub of Hasbro/WOTC? I mean, i would have assumed that AV has a non-compete with WOTC while working there (unless he left and I missed that fact in my non-obsesive D&D news gathering time).
Bendris Noulg
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In an earlier thread, AV mentioned the possibility of a sub-publisher within WotC, meaning that a label would publish WotC products in the same manner that Vertigo publishes DC comics, that would focus on sales towards mature gamers (meaning aimed at those of college age or older, as the article indicates). If Valar is that sub-publisher, than they'd have full rights to advertise themselves as a 3E-compatible product.Bulletproof said:
This is speculative, of course, based on previous information, but it does seem the logical conclusion with the info on-hand.
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Tyler Do'Urden said:
You could be right. I suspect though that it's not as much of a business decision as it is that he just really wants to create this type of product. We'll probably never really know for sure what his motivations are.
Anyone who has been involved with Thelemic or Neo-Tantric occult religions doesn't even need to ask that question.
I haven't, so I do need to ask. I'm ignorant about these religions, as I suspect most people are, thus the question needs to be asked.
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