Fantasy Stories That Don’t Romanticise the Past

Pretty much the whole of the urban fantasy subgenre for a start (Dresden Files, Rivers of London etc). Steampunk-adjacent fantasy such as the Ketty Jay and Cinder Spires series. Anything by Phillip Pullman. Game of Thrones: "here is your medieval, look at how sh*t it was".

The genre that really romanticises the past isn’t fantasy at all, it’s historical crime fiction.
 
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Turtledove was a professor but shifted to full time writing in the 1980s. A collleague of his in this regard is Barbara Hambly, who left her medievalist doctorate unfinished to become a full time writer. She doesn’t glamorize her milieus, either fantastic or historical (the Free Man of Color series, set in 1830s New Orleans and environs).

Ada Palmer continues to be a historian of the Renaissance and professor at U of Chicago. She and her friend and research collaborator Jo Walton are both doing neat anti-glamorizing fiction, along with Palmer’s fascinating nonfiction Inventing The Renaissance.

Poul Anderson combined great respect human intelligence and endurance with an awareness of how much social systems crush and waste potential, in both his fantasy and his sf. I’ll come back later to quote from the Time Patrol story “Ivory, and Apes, and Peacocks”.

Stephen Baxter’s alternate histories like the Northland and Time’s Tapestry series both do that for antiquity too, and so does S.M. Stirling’s To Turn The Tide trilogy, which I am currently loving the heck out of.

Finally, Mitchell Lǔthi’s Pilgrim and Caitlin Starling’s The Starving Saints both excel at preserving an awareness of historical complexity in more exotic fantastic circumstances.
 
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I disagree. Mainstream fantasy is pretty obsessed with tropes and plots inspired by medieval romance.
Heroes on quests, mythical creatures, kingdoms to be won, magic, etc.
Have you read any historical crime fiction!?

As for "medieval" romance, I would say there is nothing medieval about it. It's just feel-good fiction that has been around since stories were first invented, and is found in most popular fiction, irrespective of dragons. Most people read for escapism, and the past is a popular place to escape to. It isn't any more fantasy than it is any other genre.
 
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Have you read any historical crime fiction!?

As for "medieval" romance, I would say there is nothing medieval about it. It's just feel-good fiction that has been around since stories were first invented, and is found in most popular fiction, irrespective of dragons. Most people read for escapism, and the past is a popular place to escape to. It isn't any more fantasy than it is any other genre.

Fantasy overlaps with mythology.

Every culture has some version of that.
 

As for "medieval" romance, I would say there is nothing medieval about it. It's just feel-good fiction that has been around since stories were first invented, and is found in most popular fiction, irrespective of dragons.
From what I know about 'stories', they tended to be warnings and often horrific. Stories around ancient pantheons tend to be not all that great. Something like Beowulf I wouldn't call a feel good story, nor would I call the original fairy tales all that kid friendly either...

Imho you have fantasy works where the past was truly better, and where the past is now viewed by certain people as better, just like in real life. When people these days talk about the past they tend to forget the cold war and the nuclear threat, the post war rebuilding, heck even the war era itself. And that's just the really big stuff, the countless smaller stuff that people forget is staggering. But that's how memory tends to work, unless it's truly traumatic.

What about Lord of the Rings? Sure the Elves are in decline and certain Kingdoms have corrupted rulers, but when you read about the earlier ages, things were certainly not better (for everyone). The Hobbitses lead idyllic lives, only when the start messing with the One Ring and move outside of the Shire do things turn ugly... That One Ring had been around since the Second Age, LotR is in the Fourth Age...

And we often see it on a much smaller scale, where the protagonist has a decent childhood that turns ugly and their village is destroyed, family killed, etc. Life before that event might have been hard, but it was better... For them...
 



From what I know about 'stories', they tended to be warnings and often horrific.
Some stories are told as warnings "don't play by the river children or Green Jenny will get you". Some are just told to entertain on cold winter evenings "Beowulf ripped the monster Grendel limb from limb".

Of course, these days idea of a "warning" is most commonly associated with (but not limited to) the science fiction genre.
Imho you have fantasy works where the past was truly better
And you have some were as it is worse. and you have lots of non-fantasy works where the past is better, and some where it was worse.
 

The big counterexample is Discworld, where a significant portion of the books are about making the world (or at least Ankh-Morpork) better through either social or technological progress. There's even one specifically about moving away from the hidebound prejudices of the past (Thud!).

I know in the other thread someone had the opinion that Discworld isn't fantasy – it's satire with fantasy tropes. But that feels very "No True Scotsman" to me.
 

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