Farscape (No Spoilers)

[reveal]

Umm, he did. Did you not read his post in which he went over some of the primary elements of the show, and how they are the exact opposite of what Felon said the show was about?

When I start reading personal insults, I stop reading because that's when I see it as more of a fanboy attack than a simple disagreement. Starting off with "Have you been living out in a cabin in Montana..." does not an effective argument make. And, apparently, that is what Rackhir wanted to make, an effective argument. To me, it failed.

But, then again, maybe I'm just "old school" because I think personal insults have no place in arguments because all it does it make the person your arguing against defensive, thereby causing them to not even bother listening to what you have to say.

 

[Storm Raven]

When I start reading personal insults, I stop reading because that's when I see it as more of a fanboy attack than a simple disagreement. Starting off with "Have you been living out in a cabin in Montana..." does not an effective argument make. And, apparently, that is what Rackhir wanted to make, an effective argument. To me, it failed.

Given that the level of knowledge of B5 appears to only be explainable in that fashion, it was pretty much in line with what I expected some responses to be. Of course, I don't see the opening comment in Rackhir's post to be a "personal insult", he didn't call him names or insult his family, he questioned his knowledge on a topic that he seems to know so little about.

Of course, your response, given that you didn't read his reasoning for Felon being wrong, calling for him to give his reasons why Felon's assessment was wrong, makes your post seem quite silly. The fact that you didn't bother to read further is your problem, not Rackhir's.

And it is especially amusing that you decry "personal insults" and then go around calling people "raving fanboys". Pot meet kettle, call it black.

 

[Rackhir]

Crypto-fascist and pro-nazi are not necessarily the same thing. Naziism was a form of fascism. Crypto-fascist could be in reference to Clerical fascism for all you know.

Whether or not you like the show is no reason to insult the author of the post, in this case Felon. You want to disprove his theory? Then give reasons and logic to support your theory. Don't resort to name calling and insults because that just makes you look like a raving fanboy.

I am aware that fascisim and Nazism are not the same thing. Crypto-Fascist, was too bland and obscure for what I felt he was accusing B5 of being and I couldn't think of a better term.

However if you are going to accuse someone of not giving reasons or using logic to suport their opinion, then you really ought to read the entire post before you resort to name calling and insults. Calling someone a raving fanboy, isn't exactly a complement and is particularly amusing when you are complaining about someone else using insults in the same sentence.

However, I do regret having responded to that post simply because it was so obviously a Troll as I suspect your posts are as well. I probably shouldn't even have replied to this one, but the irony of your complaining about my using insults in the same sentence where you insulted me was just too rich to ignore. I'll ignore posts from both of you in the future.

 

[reveal]

I'll ignore posts from both of you in the future.

Works for me.

 

[reveal]

And it is especially amusing that you decry "personal insults" and then go around calling people "raving fanboys". Pot meet kettle, call it black.

I said his post sounded like he was a raving fanboy, not that he actually was a raving fanboy.

 

[Storm Raven]

I said his post sounded like he was a raving fanboy, not that he actually was a raving fanboy.

And Rackhir asked if Felon was living in a cabin in Montana playing Telephone, he didn't say he was. In short, you do realize that your argument that saying someone "sounded" like a raving fanboy is somehow qualitatively different from calling someone a raving fanboy effectively nullifies your claim that Rackhir made a personal insult in his post, don't you. If you don't, then you need to sit back and think about this for a while.

 

[Psion]

Wow... back off, guys! It's not as if there is only one show to watch. We can all find something that hits the right spot. Nobody's going to prove anyone wrong.

I like Farscape because I can relate to the characters. Not because I am selfish but because I know humans and humans are flawed.

And the characters in Farscape grow. And they grow on you. I hated Jool at first, but after she left, I missed her.

But if you can't stand how selfish the characters are, you have yet to meet sikozu.

It works for me because victims of circumstance don't get to choose their crewmates (not that anyone does).

It seems to me that in many other SF series, to a certain extent, if they analyze frailty, it's either in transient characters or it's all or nothing (either he's a sterling guy who's the best at their in the galaxy, but he's a rock bottom alcoholic or drug addict, etc.)

That's just MO, though. Trying to disuade me of it, or for me to get you to buy it if you don't, is about like arguing how wrong someone is for liking chocolate ice cream (or whatever.)

 

[Storm Raven]

Wow... back off, guys! It's not as if there is only one show to watch. We can all find something that hits the right spot. Nobody's going to prove anyone wrong.

I agree on that score. I am a fan of B5 and Farscape and SG-1. They all have strong points and weak points.

But saying that B5s themes are crypto-fascist? That's just loony.

 

[Mallus]

Crypto-fascist could be in reference to Clerical fascism for all you know.

As an aside: I've always heard the term "crypto-fascist" was coined by the American novelist Gore Vidal to describe William F. Buckley Jr. And it wasn't intended to convey much in the way of meaning, just to make Buckley really, really mad. Punching mad, so the story goes...

And labelling B5 as 'crypto-fascist' --as vague as the term is-- seems really off-base. Would that mean any drama that featured military personnel, or police, or --insert group with hierarchal command structure here -- automatically count as fascist?

How about the French Resistance? Didn't they have a chain of command?

 

[Psion]

I agree on that score. I am a fan of B5 and Farscape and SG-1. They all have strong points and weak points.

Precisely. I am a fan of B5 and Farscape and um... other stuff.

But saying that B5s themes are crypto-fascist? That's just loony.

Especially considering it's un-crypto-anti-fascist.