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Feat for Multi-Class casters!
- Thread starter Limper
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Here's a feat that was originally posted by Whydirt. I've tidied it up slightly.
Improved Spellcasting [General]
You have increased your spellcasting ability in one of your classes.
Prerequisites: Multiclassed spellcaster.
Benefit: Choose a spellcasting class you possess. You are treated as if you have up to two extra class levels for the purpose of determining your effective caster level for that class. You do not gain any extra spells per day or spells known, but all other class features and spell characteristics dependent on caster level are improved in line with your new caster level. This feat cannot make your caster level exceed what it would be if you were not multiclassed.
Special: You may gain this feat multiple times. Each time you gain this feat, it affects a different spellcasting class.
Improved Spellcasting [General]
You have increased your spellcasting ability in one of your classes.
Prerequisites: Multiclassed spellcaster.
Benefit: Choose a spellcasting class you possess. You are treated as if you have up to two extra class levels for the purpose of determining your effective caster level for that class. You do not gain any extra spells per day or spells known, but all other class features and spell characteristics dependent on caster level are improved in line with your new caster level. This feat cannot make your caster level exceed what it would be if you were not multiclassed.
Special: You may gain this feat multiple times. Each time you gain this feat, it affects a different spellcasting class.
Steven McRownt
First Post
I like it Limper.
Your considerations are right, even if the feat is still not well designed; as far i can imagine, there's little fear for power gamers looking for having a couple of spell "powered up", and it treats more fairly multiclassing spellcasters:
after all a Bard/Sorcerer -using Chacal's example- is an arcane spellcaster using the same ability score to cast spells. In theory it could be allowed properly for this kind of multiclassing characters: druid/ranger, paladin/cleric and so on. It is more difficult to think of a cleric/mage using this feat because his spellcasting abilities comes from completely different sources (one arcane, one divine).
Just my 2 (euro's) cents
Steven McRownt
Your considerations are right, even if the feat is still not well designed; as far i can imagine, there's little fear for power gamers looking for having a couple of spell "powered up", and it treats more fairly multiclassing spellcasters:
after all a Bard/Sorcerer -using Chacal's example- is an arcane spellcaster using the same ability score to cast spells. In theory it could be allowed properly for this kind of multiclassing characters: druid/ranger, paladin/cleric and so on. It is more difficult to think of a cleric/mage using this feat because his spellcasting abilities comes from completely different sources (one arcane, one divine).
Just my 2 (euro's) cents
Steven McRownt
Chacal
First Post
I still think it's a bit much in the bard8/sorc1 situation without restriction, and even more for a cleric8/sorc1. But the restriction I've proposed is probably a bit harsh .
how about this : Simple Rule
The selected spells are cast with a caster level equal to the sum of the caster levels of the spellclasses which have them on their known spells list.
Optionally you could add :
Different sources rule
If the spell comes from different sources (i.e arcane and divine) choose which source is the main source, and caster levels from other sources only count as half.
You could also
add every little bit Rule
count caster levels from spellclasses not having the spell like for different sources (that is half).
And specify that
if a spell is not known by a different source, then the caster level for this source doesn't count (or at 1/4th if you like being generous).
For instance, you could have :
Bard 8 sorc 1 :
magic missile cast at 1+ (8/2) = 5th level
charm cast at 1+8 = 9th level
Wiz 6 Cleric 4
assuming the wiz knows bull strength and choose the "main source" in an efficient way.
Bull strength is cast at : 6+(4/2) = 8th level
Cure Light Wounds is cast at either
4+(6/4) =5th level if you're generous, or
4 if you're not.
I'm not sure if it still looks like what you were searching for, Limper.
But I'm wondering if, after being cleaned by 3e experts and natural speakers, these rules could be applied to more than just a few spells.
Well, enough random thoughts,
Chacal
how about this : Simple Rule
The selected spells are cast with a caster level equal to the sum of the caster levels of the spellclasses which have them on their known spells list.
Optionally you could add :
Different sources rule
If the spell comes from different sources (i.e arcane and divine) choose which source is the main source, and caster levels from other sources only count as half.
You could also
add every little bit Rule
count caster levels from spellclasses not having the spell like for different sources (that is half).
And specify that
if a spell is not known by a different source, then the caster level for this source doesn't count (or at 1/4th if you like being generous).
For instance, you could have :
Bard 8 sorc 1 :
magic missile cast at 1+ (8/2) = 5th level
charm cast at 1+8 = 9th level
Wiz 6 Cleric 4
assuming the wiz knows bull strength and choose the "main source" in an efficient way.
Bull strength is cast at : 6+(4/2) = 8th level
Cure Light Wounds is cast at either
4+(6/4) =5th level if you're generous, or
4 if you're not.
I'm not sure if it still looks like what you were searching for, Limper.
But I'm wondering if, after being cleaned by 3e experts and natural speakers, these rules could be applied to more than just a few spells.
Well, enough random thoughts,
Chacal
Tony Vargas
Legend
What has CON got to do with it?
Here's another possible way of aproaching the problem:
Blended Technique [Metamagic]
    You combine different spellcasting techniques to make a spell more potent.
    Prerequisites: Ability to cast the same spell from two different lists (Wizard & Sorcerer lists count as 'different' for this purpose).
    Benefits: When you use a spell with this metamagic feat as part of your daily spells for two (or more) caster classes you have, you add your levels in those classes together to determine your caster level for that spell. A Blended spell takes up a slot of the same level as the spell normally does, but it takes up a slot from each class involved, and both are used when the spell is cast. Casting a Blended spell does not take extra time, though if one of the classes involved is casting spontaneously, the usual time increase aplies.
EX: A Cleric 5/Wiz 5 has Dispel Magic in his spellbook. This spell is also available as Cleric spell. He chooses to prepare Blended Dispel Magic, taking up one third level Cleric spell slot and one third level Wizard spell slot. When he casts Dispel Magic, both spell slots are used up, but the Dispel functions as if he were from a 10th level caster.
EX: A Wiz 5/Sor 6 has Fireball in his Spellbook. He chooses to prepare Blended Fireball in both of his 3rd level Wiz slots. If he wishes to cast one of these fireballs, he must also spontaneously 'Blend,' a Fireball as a Sorcerer, taking a FRA to cast, and using one 3rd level spell for the day as a Sorcerer and one of the prepared Blended Fireballs, but inflicting 10d6 damage (as an 11th level caster). The character could also use regular spontaneous fireballs, inflicting 6d6, as normal. If he were to use all his 3rd level spells for the day as a Sorcerer, the prepared Blended Fireballs would be useless, as there is nothing to combine them with.
Here's another possible way of aproaching the problem:
Blended Technique [Metamagic]
    You combine different spellcasting techniques to make a spell more potent.
    Prerequisites: Ability to cast the same spell from two different lists (Wizard & Sorcerer lists count as 'different' for this purpose).
    Benefits: When you use a spell with this metamagic feat as part of your daily spells for two (or more) caster classes you have, you add your levels in those classes together to determine your caster level for that spell. A Blended spell takes up a slot of the same level as the spell normally does, but it takes up a slot from each class involved, and both are used when the spell is cast. Casting a Blended spell does not take extra time, though if one of the classes involved is casting spontaneously, the usual time increase aplies.
EX: A Cleric 5/Wiz 5 has Dispel Magic in his spellbook. This spell is also available as Cleric spell. He chooses to prepare Blended Dispel Magic, taking up one third level Cleric spell slot and one third level Wizard spell slot. When he casts Dispel Magic, both spell slots are used up, but the Dispel functions as if he were from a 10th level caster.
EX: A Wiz 5/Sor 6 has Fireball in his Spellbook. He chooses to prepare Blended Fireball in both of his 3rd level Wiz slots. If he wishes to cast one of these fireballs, he must also spontaneously 'Blend,' a Fireball as a Sorcerer, taking a FRA to cast, and using one 3rd level spell for the day as a Sorcerer and one of the prepared Blended Fireballs, but inflicting 10d6 damage (as an 11th level caster). The character could also use regular spontaneous fireballs, inflicting 6d6, as normal. If he were to use all his 3rd level spells for the day as a Sorcerer, the prepared Blended Fireballs would be useless, as there is nothing to combine them with.
