TarionzCousin
Second Most Angelic Devil Ever
This sounds cool.
Where do the PC's fit in?
I think the fey win, eventually. They have centuries of plotting and scheming and manipulation experience. :stir:
Fey vs Shadow
Where do the PC's fit in?
I think the fey win, eventually. They have centuries of plotting and scheming and manipulation experience. :stir:
ppaladin123
Adventurer
The fey use a lot of charm and psychic powers that the undead of the shadowfell are immune/resistant to. That might tip the scales in favor of the shadowfell denizens.
This might be like planar rock-paper-scissors(-lizard-spock) if you include the material plane, the astral sea and the elemental chaos.
This might be like planar rock-paper-scissors(-lizard-spock) if you include the material plane, the astral sea and the elemental chaos.
Belorin
Explorer
In a war on the primal plane between the fey and shadow, the primal plane will suffer the most, but the feywild and the shadowfell suffer as they slowly desrtoy the portals leading to the primal plane.
This has two effects, the feywild and shadowfell start to fade as they realize their planes are but reflections of the primal and magic gets harder to use, due to the loss of access to the other planes.
Divine, Elemental, Ki, Martial, Primal and Psionics continue as normal, but Arcane and Shadow, become echoes of there former power.
Bel
This has two effects, the feywild and shadowfell start to fade as they realize their planes are but reflections of the primal and magic gets harder to use, due to the loss of access to the other planes.
Divine, Elemental, Ki, Martial, Primal and Psionics continue as normal, but Arcane and Shadow, become echoes of there former power.
Bel
Kaodi
Hero
I would say that Feywild wins because:
A) Everyone must have had enough of the Shadowfell trying to be badass by now.
B) In game context, siding with the crazy mysterious people who may drive you insane will probably be an easier sell than siding with the goth undead people people who will make you... dead.
C) As much as it may be nice to get to reinforce yourselves with the fallen, the fact remains that it is probably easier for the fey to bend the living world to their will. Plants and animals are easily manipulated by them. And incidentally, controlling probably expends less energy than killing and re-animating.
D) As player characters go, their are more options for playing Fey characters. If you go Shadowfell, you are pretty much Shadar-Kai, or... Shadar-Kai. Maybe Dhampir if you have that issue of Dragon.
E) There are more possibilities with the Fey winning. With the Shadowfell winning, everyone becomes dead, or undead. Puts serious brakes on potential continuance of the plot into other campaigns.
F) Equally arbitrary sounding premise.
G) More of F.
H) Et cetera.
A) Everyone must have had enough of the Shadowfell trying to be badass by now.
B) In game context, siding with the crazy mysterious people who may drive you insane will probably be an easier sell than siding with the goth undead people people who will make you... dead.
C) As much as it may be nice to get to reinforce yourselves with the fallen, the fact remains that it is probably easier for the fey to bend the living world to their will. Plants and animals are easily manipulated by them. And incidentally, controlling probably expends less energy than killing and re-animating.
D) As player characters go, their are more options for playing Fey characters. If you go Shadowfell, you are pretty much Shadar-Kai, or... Shadar-Kai. Maybe Dhampir if you have that issue of Dragon.
E) There are more possibilities with the Fey winning. With the Shadowfell winning, everyone becomes dead, or undead. Puts serious brakes on potential continuance of the plot into other campaigns.
F) Equally arbitrary sounding premise.
G) More of F.
H) Et cetera.
Mustrum_Ridcully
Hero
I always have this image of an Eladrin city that makes Worldfall - and founds itself besieged by an unknown foe. Or an Eladrin City escaping a siege via Worldfall.
Something like that. Whoever wins, you need to use this concept.
The side wins that has the PCs succesfully working for it. E.g., the PCs pick a side at some point, they work for the plane, and if they succeed, their plane succeeds, if they fail, their plane fails.
Alternatively - no one wins, at least not if the PCs do the "right" thing and organize a peace treaty once they learn that the costs of an ongoing war would be catastrophic to the entire world. (Possibly in the mean time trying to rescue innocents and fight local tyrannies caused by the war.)
Something like that. Whoever wins, you need to use this concept.
The side wins that has the PCs succesfully working for it. E.g., the PCs pick a side at some point, they work for the plane, and if they succeed, their plane succeeds, if they fail, their plane fails.
Alternatively - no one wins, at least not if the PCs do the "right" thing and organize a peace treaty once they learn that the costs of an ongoing war would be catastrophic to the entire world. (Possibly in the mean time trying to rescue innocents and fight local tyrannies caused by the war.)
Piratecat
Sesquipedalian
I have something similar, but less defined, in my game: eladrin are fleeing the Feywild as it loses ground to an unknown shadowy enemy. Fey who would rather flee and fight, or who have fought and lost, come to the mortal world. This gives me an interesting possibility for my enemy.
Yeah, I'm sort of ripping off the comic book Fables. Shh. Different adversary, anyways.
Yeah, I'm sort of ripping off the comic book Fables. Shh. Different adversary, anyways.
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