Figher/Cleric PrC or other build ideas...

[brehobit]

hi folks,
I've got an old 2nd edition dwarven fighter/Cleric I want to transfer over (in spirit) to 3e.
A straight fighter/cleric seems pretty gimped. I've also looked at Pious Templar and doing something with a crusader/cleric and some simple variant of Ruby Knight Inquisitor.

Things that need to be kept:
Heavy armor, lots of skill in smithing, decent caster but not great (even in 2nd edition his cleric level trailed his fighter level for wacky in-game reasons, ok if he starts out as non-caster).
He is LN with a slight tilt toward good.
Has a huge STR and CON, moderate WIS, okay DEX and int, bad CHR. (In 2nd ed it was STR 18/41, INT 12, WIS 17, DEX 16, CON19, CHR 8 in a very high-stats game)

Things I'd like to keep:
Wields an intelligent bastard sword with a war hammer as backup.
Worships a Human god of war, and loves battle but actively avoids war.
Not on great terms with Dwarven society but tries to "out Dwarf" them (Think Worf in ST:TNG)
Has an overwhelming sense of duty to those he "owes" it to.
Is very ill-humored and extremely disciplined in nearly everything.
Has a hard time relating to people in anything other than a "work" relationship. (He's working on that, spends 3 hours in a bar once a week and 3 hours with one set of good friends once a week, all nicely scheduled of course)
Can craft magical arms and armor.
Values skill in arms over magic and flashy stuff.

I'd love proposed builds or just thoughts on where to go in 3e...

Thanks,

 

[rgard]

hi folks,
I've got an old 2nd edition dwarven fighter/Cleric I want to transfer over (in spirit) to 3e.
A straight fighter/cleric seems pretty gimped. I've also looked at Pious Templar and doing something with a crusader/cleric and some simple variant of Ruby Knight Inquisitor.

Things that need to be kept:
Heavy armor, lots of skill in smithing, decent caster but not great (even in 2nd edition his cleric level trailed his fighter level for wacky in-game reasons, ok if he starts out as non-caster).
He is LN with a slight tilt toward good.
Has a huge STR and CON, moderate WIS, okay DEX and int, bad CHR. (In 2nd ed it was STR 18/41, INT 12, WIS 17, DEX 16, CON19, CHR 8 in a very high-stats game)

Things I'd like to keep:
Wields an intelligent bastard sword with a war hammer as backup.
Worships a Human god of war, and loves battle but actively avoids war.
Not on great terms with Dwarven society but tries to "out Dwarf" them (Think Worf in ST:TNG)
Has an overwhelming sense of duty to those he "owes" it to.
Is very ill-humored and extremely disciplined in nearly everything.
Has a hard time relating to people in anything other than a "work" relationship. (He's working on that, spends 3 hours in a bar once a week and 3 hours with one set of good friends once a week, all nicely scheduled of course)
Can craft magical arms and armor.
Values skill in arms over magic and flashy stuff.

I'd love proposed builds or just thoughts on where to go in 3e...

Thanks,

You could go with the PrC Paladin in UA. You'll have access or eventual access to all the same spells (3.x versions) as you had as a 2e cleric.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[the_mighty_agrippa]

You might want to consider favoring the warhammer and picking up the Hammer of Moradin PRC from Player's Guide to Faerun.

That's one nasty F/C class.

 

[mikebr99]

You might want to consider favoring the warhammer and picking up the Hammer of Moradin PRC from Player's Guide to Faerun.

That's one nasty F/C class.

It isn't really a fighter/cleric PrC though... sure it requires the ability to cast 2nd level divine spells, but it doesn't increase divine casting at all.


Mike

 

[mikebr99]

Maybe the Warpriest PrC in complete divine?

Mike

 

[Magesmiley]

Maybe the battlesmith from RoS. Its not really a fighter/cleric PrC, but I think it could fit with your theme. It would complement the smithing aspects of the character, cover the crafting of magic arms and armor, and up the armor AC too, however they get bonuses with hammers if I recall, which would aid your backup weapon but not your primary. Although, overall, the more I think about it, that might be one of the best prestige class choices for you.

As another thought, you might even consider swapping the cleric levels out for favored soul levels.

 

[monboesen]

No need for anything fancy here going on the information you provided. A straight cleric/fighter build should suffice. Keep the fighter level much lower than the cleric level, a total of 2 or 4 fighter levels should be enough.

Using just SRD this would be about the lowest level build that fits your description.



Cleric 5/Fighter 2

Str 18, Dex 16, Con 19, Int 12, Wis 17, Cha 8

Skills Craft (armor) 10 ranks (+16), Craft (weapon) 10 ranks (+16), Knowledge (religion) 5 ranks (+6), Spellcraft 5 ranks (+6)

Feats Exotic weapon proficiencyb (bastard sword), Weapon focusb (bastard sword), Craft magic arms and armor, Power attack, Cleave, Skill focus (craft armor), Skill focus (craft weapon)

Domains: Law and War (a bit cheesy, but I have assumed that the Bastard sword is the favoured weapon)

HP 66 (2d10+5d8+28)
BAB +5
AC 21 (+8 armor, +2 shield, +1 dex)

Attack Bastard sword +10 (1d10+4 19-20*2), Warhammer +9 (1d8+4 20*3)

Spells per day 5/4+1domain/3+1domain/2+1domain

 

[brehobit]

Thanks all,
I've considered the Battlesmith as part of the Pious Templar build. I think it works, but it really does mean I'd have to change to hammer (which is okay).

The fighter/cleric build seems a bit weak to me. I want to be more of a fighter than cleric, and even a 4/X build seems to go the other way too much.

I'll look into the Hammer of Moradin PrC...

Thanks all, other thoughts welcome!

Mark

 

[szilard]

What level are you looking at?

What supplements are allowable?

-Stuart

 

[monboesen]

The fighter/cleric build seems a bit weak to me.

Different standards I guess. To me the cleric is already such a strong class that a little weakening isn't a bad thing. The build I presented is hardly optimal, but he would do fine in any 3ed game I have ever played.

I want to be more of a fighter than cleric, and even a 4/X build seems to go the other way too much.

The thing is that the 3ed cleric is a far more competent fighter than the 2ed cleric ever was. So even though you might end up with more cleric levels than fighter levels, the concept of your character should remain true.

I essense the cleric levels arent that different from fighter levels in terms of fighting prowess. A little less HP (1/level) a slightly lower BAB and of course fewer feats.

He will be a slightly better fighter than a straight (unbuffed) cleric, and a slightly worse one than a straight fighter.

If you compare the build I suggested to a straight fighter he has given up 5 HP, 2 points of BAB (both easily rectified with one or two simple buff spells) and some feats (at this level the only real difference would likely be that the straight fighter had weapon specialisation).

But you can just as easily do it the other way around. Mainly fighter with a splash of cleric. But you need those 5 caster levels to qualify for craft magic arms and armor.