Final Fantasy Zero: Design Diary continued

I've attatched a document with another example 1st level character (a Dragoon), and two more monsters (a zombie, and a crab). I've run a few playtest battles, and everything functions pretty much as its supposed to: the thief was a soft target who had multiple actions, the crusader was standing strong, the white mage used whole-party healing to help everyone, the black mage managed to blow away a monster or two.

Next step is probably to give some sort of introductory adventure using the characters, to codify the new limit system (e.g.: come up with a few orisha and what limits they give) and to keep pumping out job rough drafts (red mage, reaper, and samurai are now on the most immediate to-do lists).

Harm said:
Anyway, it seems that from the posts of yours I've read here theres 3 things I'd suggest. First is that by going after several games at once you're making a very large task for yourself that would be more difficult than breaking it up into several smaller tasks.

Actually, I think it's easier going from "all of FF" rather than a particular game. This allows me to pick and choose aspects from different FF games, to get a lock on the things that stuck in the series (and why they did so), and to ditch the stuff that didn't quite work, or won't work for a PnP game. I'm not beholden to, say FFXI's way of doing weaponskills -- I can use some of them, and I can use some of FF8's limit system or FF6's abilities for Cyan. I can take some of the most emblematic and dramatic abilities and turn them into FFZ abilities pretty easily....a "best of the best" approach, kind of.

Second, it looks like you're overcomplicating things and adding in a lot more new mechanics and rules than you have to which has a few effects, among them is that it's more unweildy and dificult to balance, and it'll be frustrating for DnD players to use because of all the differences.

I've actually made an effort to simplify a lot of things. Some of the rules are different, but whenever this happens, it's always more transparent than it is in D&D. This makes it pretty easy to balance, actually -- you can forecast the abilities of a character or creature of X level much more easily in FFZ than you can in D&D. The way that damage, stat bonuses, etc. map directly to level means that you're well aware of what a character of X level can do, and thus can more accurately challenge them as a DM. And between characters, it makes sure that each character fullfills a dramatically different role. Even in a party of "all fighters" or "all casters," there's enough variety so that characters don't often tread on each others' toes, and no one hogs the spotlight (there will be more evidence of this simplicity when I get to releasing the DM stuff).

Third it doesn't sound like it will play like either DnD or FF.

Well, try a combat for yourself. If it doesn't feel much like FF combat, tell me how, and I can improve it. It feels like FF combat to *me*, but I'm probably biased. :p

For instance your "abstracting out equipment and putting them in as class features" is neither DnD nor FF both of which rely heavily on higher level characters having access too higher power equipment. In fact it's a cornerstone of both games where many FF players spend ages doing the quests or finding the materials or unlocking the hidden dungeon to get the ultima weapon for each of their characters.

This actually maps to FF pretty directly, though in a different way than expected. In FF, you continually imrpove in weapons and armor as your character gains levels and finds new towns -- each new location has an upgrade of weapons and armor. FFZ ties it to level, which suggests when your characters should be finding new rescources and improving their equipment in other ways (such as with AP or gil).

"Spending ages doing quests or finding materials or unlocking hidden dungeons" doesn't map well to PnP at all, where spending ages donig anything is just onerous. Instead (and, again, this is more evident in the DM documents), FFZ nurtures the idea of hidden treasures that are meant to be discovered -- it is assumed that you will be hunting for the ultima weapons, so the ability (and expectation) of the ultima weapons are ingrained in character advancement, much as treasure is for D&D characters.

Likewise in DnD the monster's CR is tied to it's AC and DC on saves for it's spells which are tied to the expected attack bonus and saveing throws of players which is tied to them having a certain level of magic items at certain levels.

This is true for FFZ, too, just using different terms: a monster's Level is tied to its Defense and Magic score for its spells which are tied to the expected Attack score and Mind scores of the players which is tied to them gaining certain rewards at certain levels.

FFZ expedites the process of awards, which makes determining which monsters are good choices much easier, thus allowing the DM to focus more on character and story development than on challenge selection.
 

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I eagerly await more details.

I wonder how you did Elvaans.
Statwise, in FFXI they have high MND/WIS(and religious faith), high STR, low INT, and low DEX.
 

You can see FFZ's elvaans (as they exist for now) in the Tribes document in my sig (the link should still work). I disposed of the STR/DEX dichotomy, but gave them a high MAG (powerful spells) and a penalty to MP (low staying power).

Their cultural info is probably ajar of FFXI's, though the fluff ain't to hard to re-write. And if you'd like to keep the STR+/DEX- adjustments, you could give them +1 DMG/-1 DEF, or +1 ATK/-1 AGI, or something similar.

The Dragoon in the example document is an Elvaan, too.
 

Hello Kamikaze, I have a question:

1) What is the formula to calculate the HP/MP progression? In the 1º level, and in the subsequent levels?

Is the basic Class HP + Con Mod/ Class MP + XXX Mod or another formula?
 

1) What is the formula to calculate the HP/MP progression? In the 1º level, and in the subsequent levels?

Is the basic Class HP + Con Mod/ Class MP + XXX Mod or another formula?

The Rules document should have the specifics, but it's:

HP: Class HP + Con Mod at every Odd-numbered level (plus anything from equipment)
MP: Class MP + Cha Mod at every Even-numbered level (plus anything from equipment). This modifier can change if you cast magic, to Int or Wis, but it defaults to Cha.
 

Thanks by the reply :)

I have read all the documents you post and i not find these rules.

Another question, the level up is determinate by the amount of total AP or XP.
 

Not in there? Awww, man!

XP. The exact system is one of the missing components, but D&D's system works okay, too.

AP is just another way to gain abilities that treasure alone won't give you.
 

Another question:

1) The HP/MP bonus give by the Armor/Hemet/Shield is add to:

Total HP/MP

or

Is a bonus like the Con bonus give to HP, and Char bonus give to MP?


2) Exist any type of equivalence from FFZero AP and the D&D XP ?


3) What is the cost, in LP (Limit Points), of the Limit Breaks (LB)? Exist a diference in the cost of the racial LB and class LB?
 

Total HP/MP

or

Is a bonus like the Con bonus give to HP, and Char bonus give to MP?

If I understand you right, I think you should think of the equipment as a bonus to total hit points. The hp and mp bonus from equipment is added to your maximum hp/mp, but only once (so that you don't get it over and over again as you level up). The Con and Cha bonuses are added at every other level, so they increase as your level increases, with the equipment bonus on top of it.

2) Exist any type of equivalence from FFZero AP and the D&D XP ?

AP is more similar to GP than it is to XP. It's used to buy "awards" (you can see a few of them in the equipment notes document), one of the main ways of powering up your character in FFZ.

3) What is the cost, in LP (Limit Points), of the Limit Breaks (LB)? Exist a diference in the cost of the racial LB and class LB?

At the moment, limits cost LP equal to the level you recieve them at, except racial limits (or level 1 limits), which cost 3 LP.
 
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Hi KM.

Sorry, been off-line for a bit (new job and all...). Look forward to play testing the new stuff. Will try and stop in more frequently.

Keep up the good work.

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