Find the Anime Challenge

[BryonD]

But what is your point?

That it is easy to set up a rigged game that can't be won.

 

[Nifft]

That it is easy to set up a rigged game that can't be won.

I thought you were going somewhere humorous with this, but it's looking more and more like a simple insinuation of bad faith. Let's not go there? It's hard enough to have a productive discussion about what are essentially matters of taste.

Thanks, -- N

 

[BryonD]

I thought you were going somewhere humorous with this, but it's looking more and more like a simple insinuation of bad faith. Let's not go there? It's hard enough to have a productive discussion about what are essentially matters of taste.

Thanks, -- N

But that is my point. Matters of taste are not being allowed in so far as the supposed contest is concerned. The implication has clearly become that if someone sees an influence then they are simply ignorant. Unless one can "prove" the completely subjective idea of art not being simply influenced but fully representative of anime in Hussar's mind then they are wrong to suggest that any influence is present at all. That is a rigged game.

If you want to have a productive discussion on matters of taste then starting from "go" with a game that only permits one view is a bad approach.

 

[Nifft]

Unless one can "prove" the completely subjective idea of art not being simply influenced but fully representative of anime in Hussar's mind then they are wrong to suggest that any influence is present at all. That is a rigged game.

Well, he's already accepted one, so that's at least an indication of good faith.

Other than that, all I can say is that he's not going to make any money off me by being right, so it costs me very little to assume he's doing this free of bad intent...

Well, one last thing: it's been an enjoyable discussion, and even though I have an opinion on the matter, I've learned a bunch about D&D art, comic books, and what people think of as anime.

Cheers, -- N

 

[BryonD]

Well, he's already accepted one, so that's at least an indication of good faith.

Other than that, all I can say is that he's not going to make any money off me by being right, so it costs me very little to assume he's doing this free of bad intent...

Well, one last thing: it's been an enjoyable discussion, and even though I have an opinion on the matter, I've learned a bunch about D&D art, comic books, and what people think of as anime.

Cheers, -- N

I could say pick the three numbers between 1 and 10 that I'm think of. Accepting one as right wouldn't get anyone a tiny bit closer to getting a check.
I'm fine with whatever Hussar's opinion is. I don't care.
But if the claim is that no one meeting his challenge establishes the least little bit of a point, then it is completely false.

I'm sure there is plenty to be learned in the many posts here. I'm just pointing out that the supposed "contest" has not a little meaning, but none whatsoever.

 

[BryonD]

Let me clarify:

Hussar can be completely honest in that HE doesn't accept the idea of anime influence. I'm quite willing to accept that. But the way the contest is being presented any other view need not apply. So it becomes a self-fulfilling deal.

 

[Nifft]

I'm sure there is plenty to be learned in the many posts here. I'm just pointing out that the supposed "contest" has not a little meaning, but none whatsoever.

I disagree, because Hussar isn't the only one in the thread whose judgment counts.

Even if it's a rigged contest, that's mostly irrelevant to me -- I don't care if Hussar accepts the arguments, I want to see them so I can decide if I accept them or not. And I'm pretty sure everyone else following the thread will be making up his or her own mind, too.

So you're not really helping us "free our minds". You're just stopping a discussion (which might have been over anyway, I dunno). :\

Oh well, -- N

 

[Nifft]

Let me clarify:

Hussar can be completely honest in that HE doesn't accept the idea of anime influence. I'm quite willing to accept that. But the way the contest is being presented any other view need not apply. So it becomes a self-fulfilling deal.

Feel free to keep your own score. It can't hurt the discussion, and might add something.

How many images did you see as anime-influenced so far?

Cheers, -- N

 

[TwinBahamut]

That it is easy to set up a rigged game that can't be won.

Then ignore the "game" completely, and just focus on the discussion of the relevant images. In the end, this is just a thread about people making arguments about the influence of anime on D&D art. All Hussar's game is doing is forcing people to post images in this discussion, rather than make arbitrary statements about the "obviousness" of anime influence without any proof. It is just an average "anime influence" thread where people are actually posting D&D art and discussing it.

I have been posting in this thread as much as anyone else, but I really don't care whether or not Hussar evers posts something in his sig, or whether some kind of conclusion is made or not. I'm here because it is fun to analyze images and discuss things in this kind of detail.

Still, I wouldn't phrase this discussion as a "matter of taste". Whether or not someone likes anime influence or not is a matter of taste. I happen to like anime influenced art, and I would be happier if people could find anime-influenced images among D&D art. However, the question of whether or not something is anime-influenced or not is not subject to indivudual taste, it is merely a question of an actual property of the art itself, and can be arrived at through detailed analysis. The only subjective questions are the definition of "anime", and the extent of influence required to make the claim that there is a clear anime influence.

Maybe I should start posting pieces of art I think are not anime influenced at all, and see if arguments could be made that they have anime influence, just to promote some more discussion.

 

[Hussar]

Y'know what, I could have an entire panel of judges and people would still bitch that it's rigged. You don't like the judging process, TOO BAD. Not my problem. I've had enough of trying to defend my little game here. My ball, my rules. Don't like it? There's the door. That this thread has been starred means that at least some people figure that there's value in this discussion, regardless of my own tastes.

EVERY pic that I've disqualified, I've done so with some pretty rigorous proofs. No one has challenged them, so I guess I did a pretty good job. When people talked about the warforged being inspired by Full Metal Alchemist, I stepped up and showed why, IMO, the warforged is closer to C3PO than that character. You want to provide actual reasons for what you see beyond "My gut says this is anime", then fine, do so. Otherwise:

STOP PISSING IN THE POOL!

Thank you.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled discussion.