Find the Anime Challenge

[blargney the second]

Comic book or anime?

Looks like it ought to be in Heavy Metal, so I'm going to have to go with comic book on that one.

 

[TwinBahamut]

Yes, but many things in anime have influences that can be traced farther back than the advent of "anime" as an artistic genre. I agree that it then becomes difficult to determine if the things is influenced by the historical antecedent (as I believe the 1e gold dragon was) or by the current pop culture reference (as I believe the ravid was).

There was a Dragon Magazine article in the lead-up to 3e, where the artistic design for 3e was discussed. Does anyone remember the issue number? I don't know if that article would shed light on this discussion or not, but I'd like to check.

RC

For the sake of this discussion, the only reasonable thing to do is completely seperate Anime from Asian. If you assume that anything of Asian influence is an anime influence, then of course you will find anime influence. But that is about as useful as saying that anyone using New York as the setting for a novel was possibly influenced by Spiderman comics. It is impossible to sort through, and not necessarily true.

The only useful thing to do would be focus on the well-defined history of anime itself. Anime is an art form which started in the mid 1960s with the work of Osamu Tezuka and his contemporaries. His manga, and the first TV series based on his manga, are the origin point of all midern manga and anime. If we are going to say anything useful about anime at all, we need to limit our discussion to the particular set of Japanese animated shows that hail from that tradition.

After all, if you start talking about asian influences, it leaves me perfectly free to counter with "Hong Kong kung-fu films" and you can't counter that. If you claim that something is anime-influenced, and I provide an alternative source of influence, it weakens your argument. If you talk about something specific to anime, then I don't have such an easy way to counter your argument.

So anyways, other than vague similarities to traditional asian mythological creatures, there is nothing "anime" about the ravid. Not anime.

The Ice Creature in that one picture reminds me of the ice creature in Disney's Hercules movie. Other than that I say the pose is not anime-influenced, and I can't really say concerning the elf girl. I guess she might be more of an anime elf... Not a bad picture, even though I can't figure out what is supposed to be going on.

I don't see what is supposed to be anime-influenced in the sunset picture.

Mialee is the anti-existence to anime elves. Further, I demand that you atone for the crime of inflicting one of the ugliest Mialee images upon us. That kind of art makes me wish for greater anime influence even more.

 

[Cadfan]

I was going to guess,

1) Indeterminate but probably comic book.
2) Anime
3) Anime
4) Anime
5) Comic book

But then I noticed that you can right click on your images and get the answer, and now no one will believe my answers represent an honest opinion.

 

[Raven Crowking]

I'm 100% certain this one is anime.

Cheers, -- N

You're right.

Of course, the challenge on the others is to not check the image tags!

My point is that, if you cannot be 100% certain looking at something that it is one or the other, that one could be the other shouldn't invalidate it. There is a serious amount of crossover between the two in modern comics, especially as computer colorization causes comics artists to render with fewer lines (more akin to the way cells are drawn for animation).

RC

 

[Raven Crowking]

But then I noticed that you can right click on your images and get the answer, and now no one will believe my answers represent an honest opinion.

Sure they will. #2 is a Marvel comic.

RC

 

[Nifft]

Of course, the challenge on the others is to not check the image tags!

I knew before hitting "reply".

Cheers, -- N

 

[Raven Crowking]

I knew before hitting "reply".

That's why I said "the others"!

Honestly, I imagine that the VHD picture would have been better recieved in the PHB than some of what is in there.

RC

 

[TwinBahamut]

You're right.

Of course, the challenge on the others is to not check the image tags!

My point is that, if you cannot be 100% certain looking at something that it is one or the other, that one could be the other shouldn't invalidate it. There is a serious amount of crossover between the two in modern comics, especially as computer colorization causes comics artists to render with fewer lines (more akin to the way cells are drawn for animation).

RC

Actually, you totally failed to make your point.
1)Not anime.
2) Kinda looks like Witchblade, which is both, interestingly enough. More anime than comic book though,
3)Stop stealing bandwidth.
4)Anime
5)Comic book

And no, I didn't check tags. It is apparent.

As for the picture with the birds... It looks heavily influenced by traditional Japanese art (is it an image from an adaptation of the weaver's story?). Traditional Japanese art is completely different from anime. So, to answer "comic book or anime", I say neither.

 

[Nifft]

That's why I said "the others"!

Ah, I read that as "the other PEOPLE".

Anyway. Post why you think those things are anime.

Cheers, -- N

 

[Raven Crowking]

If you claim that something is anime-influenced, and I provide an alternative source of influence, it weakens your argument.

But it doesn't invalidate my argument.

If you talk about something specific to anime, then I don't have such an easy way to counter your argument.

For example, the "slowly rising something" Nifft mentions in this post: http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php?p=3834523&postcount=508 ?

It would help if we could first decide what was "specific to anime" and not to, say, comics?

I don't see what is supposed to be anime-influenced in the sunset picture.

Do you see what is supposed to be anime-influenced in any of the pictures?

Further, I demand that you atone for the crime of inflicting one of the ugliest Mialee images upon us.

(Shudder)

You've got me dead to rights on that one.