WayneLigon
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Anime or Not?
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RangerWickett
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I've watched a lot of anime. I've played BESM. D&D art does not have an anime aesthetic in my eyes. It has its own aesthetic, which like everything else in the world is influenced by things enjoyed by its creators.
True, 3e didn't have much art like this:
This style of art is evocative. It can make you wonder, "What's going on here? This looks like a great story."
Compare to art like this:
This style makes you think, "Damn, that looks cool. I want my character to be cool like that."
I think perhaps the aesthetic change is that 3e caters more to what the players want than what the GM wants. Or perhaps it's just a change from an adventure game to an action-combat game. Perhaps the people complaining are unhappy because the style of gameplay has changed, which naturally would lead to a change in the art.
Consider what an 'action scene' in the 2nd edition style looked like:
To what action is today:
Different, sure. They call out to different styles of play, different intensities. Maybe it's just that some gamers don't like video games and prefer to spend an hour and a half resolving 6 seconds worth of combat. Or maybe modern gamers are impatient, looking more for quick thrills than involving, epic tales.
Either way, I would like to see a slight change in how D&D presented itself in the core 4e books. D&D certainly is not becoming this:
But I would love it if it had a few more pictures like this:
Face Fault
I've watched a lot of anime. I've played BESM. D&D art does not have an anime aesthetic in my eyes. It has its own aesthetic, which like everything else in the world is influenced by things enjoyed by its creators.
True, 3e didn't have much art like this:
This style of art is evocative. It can make you wonder, "What's going on here? This looks like a great story."
Compare to art like this:
This style makes you think, "Damn, that looks cool. I want my character to be cool like that."
I think perhaps the aesthetic change is that 3e caters more to what the players want than what the GM wants. Or perhaps it's just a change from an adventure game to an action-combat game. Perhaps the people complaining are unhappy because the style of gameplay has changed, which naturally would lead to a change in the art.
Consider what an 'action scene' in the 2nd edition style looked like:
To what action is today:
Different, sure. They call out to different styles of play, different intensities. Maybe it's just that some gamers don't like video games and prefer to spend an hour and a half resolving 6 seconds worth of combat. Or maybe modern gamers are impatient, looking more for quick thrills than involving, epic tales.
Either way, I would like to see a slight change in how D&D presented itself in the core 4e books. D&D certainly is not becoming this:
But I would love it if it had a few more pictures like this:
RangerWickett
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WayneLigon said:Anime or Not?
Paizo, not WotC, but that's certainly the closest I've seen in this thread. Still, it's more like someone mixed two styles together, instead of just drawing anime.
GreatLemur
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Christ, so true. One of the big reasons I can't tolerate much anime is the obnoxious silliness that frequently invades otherwise serious shows. Full Metal Alchemist, for example, looked like a pretty really worthwhile show, but I just could not tolerate the regular reminders that the damn thing's for 13-year-olds.Rechan said:
As others have pointed out, there's certainly more anime out there that doesn't descend to such things, but not nearly enough. Last show I actually liked was Paranoia Agent, and that was three years ago. (Not that I've really been bothering to look for new stuff, lately. No time.)
Yep, I recognized that even back then. I freaking loved that monster suppliment. That was the same one that had the giant undead insects driven like mecha by elves. (...Which I guess coulda been a reference to this thing, now that I think about it.)Danzauker said:
Anime as hell.WayneLigon said:Anime or Not?
RangerWickett said:
GreatLemur said:
So, in two posts we have two different (if not necessarily opposet) opinions on the same image. So I ask both posters (and anyone who wants to reply) "Why is it anime/manga style or why is it not anime/manga style?" And yes; just so everyone is sure we are all on the same page (HA!) and not speculating (then where is all the fun?) cover the obvious stuff.
As for my opinion on it? I can see where the similarities in that example with the massive ears and the spikey-ish hair. The eyes may be a little large but I'm not an artist and against the massive ears and poofy hair it's hard to tell.
I'm not sure if they are trying to be anime or if the artist is even aware that manga influences seem to be getting through but I'd be willing to put that in the win column (depending on where it came from, is that Paizo?). However, if that is the best example I think we're safe.
It's definately anime influenced, with the spiky hair and floppy ears, however the execution is more american style, if that makes any sense. Like an attempt to take an anime character and draw them more realistically. Compare to this pic of an anime elf:
http://the.animearchive.org/lodoss/1/deidlet.jpg
Or this pic for spikey hair
http://www.myrrhlynn.net/raquel/screen4.jpg
Anime style is much simpler and softer, and the overall effect is different.
GreatLemur said:
Dude....FMA?
What episode did you watch up to? I think the japanese tend to insert humour even in "serious" shows to break up the drama.
That said, FRANKTHEDM's picture is the closest I've seen to anime. American comic books even to this day don't seem to understand the fact that "Speed kills". (ex: The flash has been shown able to evacuate an entire city in under 6 seconds, yet at the same time, he's supposed to be in danger when facing a guy with a cold gun and another normal guy who throws boomerangs)
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