Finnesse Grapple?

[dbm]

Hi everyone,
would you allow a character with Improved Unarmed Strike, Improved Grapple and Weapon Finess to use their Dex bonus with their grapple score? My friends who study Aikido would certainly say strength wasn't a factor in their throws.

Opinions?

Dan

 

[Darklone]

Nope.

I'd rather allow some Aikido prestige class that uses Wisdom instead of Strength.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

No, weapon finess only applies to attack rolls, and grapple checks aren't attack rolls.

 

[silentspace]

Should this be in House Rules?

My opinion: No. Strength, skill and conditioning are much more important. Dexterity and finesse will help in some situations, but strength and skill will help in pretty much every situation.

 

[Darklone]

Besides: I've seen some aikido dudes being grappled by heavy and strong judoka

Being lean and quick myself (not so lean anymore ), I had to learn very fast that grappling is not the way to go to beat a 220 lbs martial artist.

 

[dbm]

Should this be in House Rules?

Not really - I wanted to know what the 'official' interpretation is. And that grapple rolls aren't attack rolls seems fair enough to me

Cheers,
Dan