Fire Elemental question

[shilsen]

Well guess what? Now you have 2!

And the third time's the charm

 

[Infiniti2000]

What would happen, if you were to somehow grapple a fire elemental, and submerge it in water? I mean, completely and in a large supply, so it doesn't boil away, like an ocean? Would it kill the Fire Elemental? Just wondering, thanks for anything.....

As Percivellian said, it's just not possible.

 

[JimAde]

As Percivellian said, it's just not possible.

By that token, fire elementals would be completely immune to water as damage (though I suppose they would take falling/bludgeoning damage from it). So you could, theoretically, put a fire elemental at the bottom of a big metal container (like one of those huge brass things they ferment beer in) and pour in thousands of gallons of water, and it would be unscathed. Since Elementals don't breathe, it won't even drown. But it would be trapped at the bottom, unable to move the water and in fact frozen like a statue in whatever position it happened to be in when submerged.

I'm not saying that's wrong, but it's certainly funky.

 

[Infiniti2000]

It just says that fire elementals cannot enter water. It doesn't say you can't spray them with water or dump water on top of them. But, neither case is what the OP asked about. How does the fire elemental get into the ocean if he cannot enter it? This would be a question for the OP. Are you looking for a ruling to tell whether the fire elemental could be forced into the water or just some houserules on the (possibly) impossible case?

 

[JimAde]

It just says that fire elementals cannot enter water. It doesn't say you can't spray them with water or dump water on top of them. But, neither case is what the OP asked about. How does the fire elemental get into the ocean if he cannot enter it? This would be a question for the OP. Are you looking for a ruling to tell whether the fire elemental could be forced into the water or just some houserules on the (possibly) impossible case?

To my mind, it's like vampires. Vampires can't "cross running water" but they can be thrown or carried across it. Similarly, I would rule that a fire elemental can't enter water under its own power but could be wrestled into it. So say somebody is crazy enough to summon a fire elemental on a ship. Can you use a Bigby spell to knock it into the water? I would say yes.

The OP's question then is "what kind of damage should this do?" The rules are silent so by RAW: None. You could even argue that the elemental should be able to walk around on the surface because he "can't enter water." But that's just not cool. Immersion should hurt a fire elemental, so I agree with the magma suggestion, with the addition of something like "every round of immersion will boil off the water in the elemental's space" or something.

 

[darthkilmor]

The OP's question then is "what kind of damage should this do?" The rules are silent so by RAW: None. You could even argue that the elemental should be able to walk around on the surface because he "can't enter water." But that's just not cool. Immersion should hurt a fire elemental, so I agree with the magma suggestion, with the addition of something like "every round of immersion will boil off the water in the elemental's space" or something.

It does say though that they can only step or jump over water. so no walking on water.
You could rule that, given a sufficient size body of water, it deals cold damage to the elemental. After all, while 70deg F water isnt cold to us, to a being with a body temp of 2000+def F it certainly would be "Cold". How much damage does "water" take anyway ? You could say that the fire elemental deals damage to whatever water touches it, and anything more actually "extinguises" it, dealing dmg. Couple ways to go on this one. But the treating it as immersed in magma has my vote too, but treat the damage as cold damage.

 

[Prince Sharam]

Hm, but what if the water is warm/hot?

I'd think even the air temprature to such a being would be "cold/cool" as well

 

[Scion]

Fire elementals are opposed by cold, not water

Fire elementals do not need air to exist nor do they need fuel. What exactly would the water be 'harming'? It isnt like water puts out all fires, it actually feeds certain kinds.

 

[Prince Sharam]

um...

Fire - Water

Air - Earth

as are

Good - Evil

Law - Chaos

 

[Scion]

now we are just making things up? ok

pizza - nachos
pepsi - coke

This is fun! I can make things up too!

Fire elementals have cold vulnerability not water vulnerability.

So I will ask again, what exactly is it about water that would deal a fire elemental damage? The lack of oxygen is no problem, the lack of fuel is no problem, water itself isnt anethema to fire even in the real world (a hot enough fire will be further fueled by fire fighters attempts to put it out with water even).