First Look at the Complete Divine

[Silveras]

About Practiced Spellcaster. Is this feat bound to one spellcasting class, or does it work for all?

Concrete example: If a Cleric/Wizard/Mystic Theurge picks up Practiced Spellcaster, does he have to decide, whether his cleric level stacks on top of his wizard level or vice versa or do they both mutually stack with each other to determine caster level?

Bye
Thanee

It applies to a specific class each time you take it, and must apply to a different class each time.

So the C/W/MT in your example (say 5/5/2, for total of 12 Char levels) is already a 7/7 in terms of spell ability. Taking the feat once, s/he would be 11/7 OR 7/11 for effects, dispel, and penetrating SR, but still 7/7 in terms of the spells available. Taking the feat twice would be 11/11 for effects penetrating Spell Resistance, but still 7/7 in terms of how many spells and what levels they are.

 

[Shard O'Glase]

You're the first person I've seen that has actually played the class claim that it was comparable to a straight caster, let alone overpowered.

I've never met anyone who played the class for more than a couple levels say anything other than that they are overpowered. I freely admit my experiences may not be the norm etc. But for us when the character was 1st made he strted out as a cleric, he gained 2 more levels in cleric doing fairly well all the way. He had a low str compared to the other cleric since his int matered but otherwise fairly good, and heck the high int gave him a good amount of skill points so he rocked in things like diplomacy. When he pcked up wizard maybe he was a bit weaker but at these levels it really doesn't make much of a difference, though when he hit wizard level 2 and 3 he did seema smidge subpar. Once he picked up MT he started off staying a smidge unperpowerd and got maybbe a bit weaker in the 1st level or 2, but after the 4th level of MT he easily equaled the single classed casters, and now here at 15th level with 9 levels of MT he just rules. And this is a bad level for him since the single classed just got 8th level spells and he still only has 6th level.

The thing is when it comes to his wizard magic he's just not that much weaker than the singe classed wizard(actually wizard/loremaster) Yeah right now he's down 2 spell levels but hey most his spells hit almost as hard, so sure in a toe to toe battle or a really combat heavy game he might be coming up short. But overall he helps the party far more than either the cleric or the wizard/loremaster does.

 

[Saeviomagy]

The thing is when it comes to his wizard magic he's just not that much weaker than the singe classed wizard(actually wizard/loremaster) Yeah right now he's down 2 spell levels but hey most his spells hit almost as hard, so sure in a toe to toe battle or a really combat heavy game he might be coming up short. But overall he helps the party far more than either the cleric or the wizard/loremaster does.

Have you LOOKED at the 8th level spells compared with those at 6th?

I'm thinking your cleric and wizard players are not playing to their strengths. Recently our cleric decided that a single level of lost casting ability constituted a total waste of his character, and he's not even got any clerics to compare himself with. He just looked at the list and said "what have I done?". And he was only losing a single level of spells.

I can only imagine that your cleric, wizard and MyT cannot see past 'damage dealt' in terms of effective spells.

 

[Kodiakc]

stormlord

My bloody store hasnt gotten the CD yet
so if anyone has time and doesnt care

would ya post the stormlord info please i no longer have the
old book it use to be in and i read on 1 of the posts that the class has changed

thinking about taking my character that route if its changed for the better

thanks!

 

[Count Arioch the 28t]

Considering what each and every new level of spells brings, and the fact that my testing shows otherwise, I won't beleive that the MyTh is anything more than underpowered, unless your anecdotal evidence is enough to counter my hours of actualy gameplay experience.

Praticed spellcaster would be a good feat for them, if I wasn't using the Magic Ratings variant from UA. Now, a MyTh can somewhat keep up in a group in my campaign.

 

[Westwind]

Let's not get too far off topic here with the MyTh commentary. I'm sure the answer will end up being YMMV anyway.

Here are the Stormlord's prereqs:

Fort +4
Endurance, Great Fortitude, Weapon Focus (any spear or javelin)
Patron: Talos
Must have been hit by lightning (magical or mundane) and survived

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird Disguise in on their spell list? I play FR sometimes and I don't remember that being part of Talos' portfolio.

Mid BAB, good Fort and Will saves
Full spellcasting progression
1 enchanced javelins (any javelin thrown gains a magic bonus) +1, resist electricity 5
2 shock weapon (spears and javelins only)
3 storm walk (movement unaffected by weather)
4 resist electricity 10
5 thundering weapon (spear and javelins, stacks with shock weapon)
6 storm ride (fly during storms), enchanced javelins +2
7 resist electricity 15
8 shocking burst weapon (you guessed it, spears and javelins only)
9 immune to electricity, javelins +3
10 elemental conflagration (called storm of elemental fury in the text, 1/day can cast storm of elemental fury as a 17th-level cleric, which will need an errata since it's a Druid spell so assume they mean 17th-level Druid) The spell is in the book

 

[Thanee]

It applies to a specific class each time you take it, and must apply to a different class each time.

That's what I thought. Thank you!

Still, our MT will be very happy about that.

Having some spells (probably the wizard side for obvious reasons) at least, that do something can't hurt. As a 7th level char doing 6 damage per round with magic missile isn't much fun!

Bye
Thanee

 

[Kodiakc]

stormlord

ahh thanks Westwind I appreciate it !

 

[smileybob1]

could anyone tell me how the Holy Liberator's Remove Fatigue works. can he use it at will, does it have any other affect other than the obvious (ie does it affect exhaustion).

also how many skill points does the Holy Liberator get at each level

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

Fort +4
Endurance, Great Fortitude, Weapon Focus (any spear or javelin)
Patron: Talos

Those are weird pre-reqs for a spellcasting class. Are you sure you're not misisng "must be able to cast 3rd-level divine spells" or something like that?

They do know a Clr1/Fighter1 can take that, right? (3rd-level if not human.)