Quasqueton
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It is often by one or two, and occassionally by others. I've not said anything about banning anyone.
Quasqueton
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James Heard
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It sounds like an overreaction to me. Some people aren't as charming as others, or pick the most constructive comments, but that's not really anything you want to do something about. And for every post someone calls troll over you'd have at least some small portion of people who well and truly want to have a discussion on the topic or issue, whether or not it drags out the bad behavior in other people who fail to have the ethical fortitude to not just drop it and move on. Trolling isn't as bad behavior as flaming someone who's trolled because, simply put, you just can't put a finger on things that precisely most of the time and out and out call someone a troll just because one (or even more) people think so. If I put out a thread topic like, "Why does anyone play this useless roleplaying game?" I might be trolling or I might, instead, just be trying to start a conversation of a particular tone (promoting people to make defensive polite claims about the hobby).
Most importantly, I think ENWorld has survived as well as it has because it's mostly unpoliced and open to any interpretation of the rules that doesn't blatantly break them. Personally I don't think you'll find a better behaved forum than ENWorld of similar size, it's really kind of amazing.
Most importantly, I think ENWorld has survived as well as it has because it's mostly unpoliced and open to any interpretation of the rules that doesn't blatantly break them. Personally I don't think you'll find a better behaved forum than ENWorld of similar size, it's really kind of amazing.
Quasqueton said:
Not really a problem, so long as it is a topic for discussion. In a Big City forum, I would expect much of the discussion to be around what a big city is, and why it is different from other communities. And different folks will have different opinons. Just as on a Chili forum, I'd expect to see the beans/no beans debate replayed endlessly.
If it is a fairly obvious, oranged colored plastic grenade, and the folks in the tend glance at it, shrug, and go on with their lives, the act isn't worth noticing. Even if it isn't obvious, if it doesnt' disturb anyone, I don't think of it as a problem. It is only when the occupants must cease their paper-shuffling and have to scatter or jump on the grenade that there's an issue.
We must be sensible about where lines are drawn, lest we burn out moderators running around trying to warn people. There's a difference between what isn't constructive or particularly nice, and what's actionable. Playground rules seem reasonable.
Thornir Alekeg
Albatross!
The Rules are: Keep it civil, clean and on topic.
Your example are IMO within the rules. So what's the big deal? Nothing in the rules says you cannot start an arguement - as long as the arguement stays within the rules. If people argue with the original poster and manage to keep it civil, the topic moves along, the troll gets his attention, and people get something to read/write about.
The examples you posted are personal opinions, and are not ones that people should be offended by - unlike racial or religious comments or personally derogatory remarks. If the original poster said something like "EG&G is an ill-conceived and incomplete attempt at a game system and those who play it are a-hats" then the line has been crossed.
From what I have observed on these boards, if a poster continuously starts threads like this and they do not lead to any constructive discussions, people eventually learn to ignore the poster, or add them to their ignore list.
Its just like TV - nobody is forcing anyone here to read and respond to any threads. If you hate all the [insert game system here] slamming, just don't bother reading the thread.
Keeping the grenade metaphor going - most grenades thrown on this site don't have the pin pulled. They can only hurt someone if somebody else pulls the pin. If a live grenade is thrown, stay clear of the area and let the "mod squad" know so they can deal with the mess.
Your example are IMO within the rules. So what's the big deal? Nothing in the rules says you cannot start an arguement - as long as the arguement stays within the rules. If people argue with the original poster and manage to keep it civil, the topic moves along, the troll gets his attention, and people get something to read/write about.
The examples you posted are personal opinions, and are not ones that people should be offended by - unlike racial or religious comments or personally derogatory remarks. If the original poster said something like "EG&G is an ill-conceived and incomplete attempt at a game system and those who play it are a-hats" then the line has been crossed.
From what I have observed on these boards, if a poster continuously starts threads like this and they do not lead to any constructive discussions, people eventually learn to ignore the poster, or add them to their ignore list.
Its just like TV - nobody is forcing anyone here to read and respond to any threads. If you hate all the [insert game system here] slamming, just don't bother reading the thread.
Keeping the grenade metaphor going - most grenades thrown on this site don't have the pin pulled. They can only hurt someone if somebody else pulls the pin. If a live grenade is thrown, stay clear of the area and let the "mod squad" know so they can deal with the mess.
Belen
Legend
Quasqueton: I am not sure which thread caused your heart burn this time. If you do not like someone's comments and they really are trolling, then it is easy to report them. That is what I do if someone is really offending me.
I have noticed that you are vehemently disagreeing with anyone who states a prefernce for games other than 3e lately. It's fine to love a game, but not everyone is going to agree with your positions all the time. I think things would be more civil around here is others did not throw personal attacks because of game preference. This happens on both sides of the issue.
I have noticed that you are vehemently disagreeing with anyone who states a prefernce for games other than 3e lately. It's fine to love a game, but not everyone is going to agree with your positions all the time. I think things would be more civil around here is others did not throw personal attacks because of game preference. This happens on both sides of the issue.
Quasqueton
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There has been no single incident/post/thread that has bothered me. There has been one poster, but I've returned him to my ignore list, so that won't be an annoyance anymore.
But there are recurring incidents of some few folks making snide/disparaging remarks and/or veiled-insults about the current edition of the game *on a board dedicated to that edition of the game*. I find that rude and obnoxious. Apparently I'm the only one who thinks this.
I'm curious to see examples of this. Can you please point out such instances? I have no idea what you are referring to, as I don't give a rat's bottom what game anyone plays, so long as they don't insult my choice.
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Ankh-Morpork Guard
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Quasqueton said:
But this board ISN'T dedicated to one edition of the game. Its not even dedicated to one game! Sure, there's a strong bent towards 3e/3.5e D&D, but that's definitely not the what this board is 'dedicated' to.
Well, most times I've seen a thread with someone saying they prefer another edition of the game, you usually jump in with a quasi-Diaglo quote about 3e being the one true game.
Ankh-Morpork Guard said:
I dunno, look at the title: "EN World - Morrus' D&D / d20 News & Reviews Site".
Look at the background image with the big circled 3.
Look at the Ennies, which (iirc) originally only considered d20 products.
Look at the ad copy that identifies this place as "EN World is the largest, busiest unofficial d20 website in the world."
You may not like to think of it as "dedicated", but the strong focus is there, and it ought to be easy to see that others might see it as dedicated. You think the folks at RPG.net and WotC think of us as a general purpose RPG website?
That is an aside, though. It seems more to come down to a balance between politeness and tolerance. Flat statements like "X is the one true game" are a bit impolite. But we should be thick skinned enough to tolerate them.
Ankh-Morpork Guard
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Umbran said:
Guess it comes down to how you definite 'dedicated'.
But it DOES say "D&D/d20", so every edition of D&D is what we're 'dedicated' to if you go by that.
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