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[Ermanaric]

I think you should add gullible to the list especially if people are going to fork out their money for it lol

 

[Ermanaric]

ya and don't waste your money on something you could think up from just watching the six o clock news

 

[Ermanaric]

hope is like soap on a rope.........

 

[Silverthrone]

Yeah, because if your in prison, you drop both just before losing your innocence.

 

[Silverthrone]

Seriously, I do not need some book to tell me how to run a mature campaign. it has been my opinion pretty much since this who trend to make evil style books began that anyone who needs a book to tell them how to introduce mature concepts into their game is not ready to play in a game where there are mature concepts.

One is reminded of a bunch of giggling 4th graders looking up sex in the encyclopedia. If you do not have a handle on mature themes yet and need a book to explain them, your not mature enough to use them.

I have ran many lighthearted and many mature games. I have ran happy, fluffy stuff like Sailor Moon, and I played in adult games such as a BESM Urotsukidoji conversion.

Both have thier fun points and good points. It is nice to break away and be morally perfect and pure and play something like that, just as it is good to express some hidden and darker facets of your nature in adult games.

However, if you are so clueless to the difference and what constitutes either, you are not the type to run an adult, mature game.

These books are just an attempt to sell something kewl to the hormone huggers.

It is like Wizard the Guide to Comics one said of the Mature Auidences label appiled to comics (Paraphrased, it has been a while.)

Hey kids, buy this book. Your parents won't like it and there just might be some tits in here.

It is a bogus attempt to sell something to the immature.

 

[rackabello]

These books are just an attempt to sell something kewl to the hormone huggers.

It is like Wizard the Guide to Comics one said of the Mature Auidences label appiled to comics (Paraphrased, it has been a while.)

Hey kids, buy this book. Your parents won't like it...

It is a bogus attempt to sell something to the immature.

As has been said so very many times before, none of us has seen the BoVD yet. Certainly the marketing has sometimes taken a sensational tone, but it's mere speculation to suggest that the actual content of the book is designed for those with immature sensibilities.

Couldn't we just wait and see?

 

[Silverthrone]

If their concern is based upon the manner in which the material has been presented (the questionable... but amusing marketing and sealed content), then perhaps their justified.

That is it in my opinion. It is the idea that there should be a book detailing this sort of thing. That is silly. If you are so naieve you need a book to understand or implement such things in game terms, then you are not mature enough to be doing so.

 

[Silverthrone]

Re: Re: (Long) Evil vs. Vile vs. Mature - are they the same?

Originally posted by The Sigil
You know, maybe I'm the only one, but I didn't leave D&D because "it wasn't edgy enough." I left D&D because of power creep and because they pushed into product lines I had no interest in. I left D&D not because, "you know, this just isn't evil enough" but because, "you know, these rules are self-contradictory and silly - and why are they making FR NPCs demigods, anyway?" I left because "the game is becoming based on the novels, rather than vice versa." Never did it enter my mind that, "you know what would be great? If D&D were more vile like these other systems."


I so agree. I implore anyone else who happens to feel this way to send a letter to the editor of Dragon to let them know this.

Thoughtfulness, intelligence, and creativity are ingredients that will push the D&D game into the future. Invoking necrophilia and tentacle porn will just get you lumped in the b-movie shock-horror flicks and hentai, and all the esteem that comes with that.

The Sigili and Psion, you put it perfectly. The reason I believe D&D can be lame is the immaturity of it's rules as a system for resolving combat and defining chracters, not it's content. Content is and should be depedent upon the DM.

Books like BoVD are written to explain something that those who are ready for it do not need explained.

 

[GENEWEIGEL]

What has to be considered and I believe what the real concern will be is:

who is coming through that door and how will this affect their decision to join my group.

So let's get back to the standard "back to the dungeon" game and never mind this Book of Vile Dingleberries in the getting back!

(Sorry, it just slipped out. )

Seriously, so let's consider:

Do we weigh the value of this "dark" material against potential Johnny Status Quo Player sensitivity levels or do we just go with it and ruin several potential friendships in the trying?

P.S. I have a bad feeling that this is Sir Monte's final strike contingency to jump ship on the exploding fiery bier of this industry.

 

[MeepoTheMighty]

Re: Re: Re: (Long) Evil vs. Vile vs. Mature - are they the same?

The Sigili and Psion, you put it perfectly. The reason I believe D&D can be lame is the immaturity of it's rules as a system for resolving combat and defining chracters, not it's content. Content is and should be depedent upon the DM.

Books like BoVD are written to explain something that those who are ready for it do not need explained.

*sigh* Not you again.

Really, if you hate D&D so much, why don't you just leave?

There's plenty of room for that over at rpg.net, we don't need it here.