Flaming whip

[jabberwocky]

It doesn't need to.

1. A whip does no damage against an armored opponent. (Rule)
2. A flaming whip is a whip. (Lemma)
3. If a flaming whip does "no damage + 1d6 fire," then a whip is doing damage against an armored opponent
4. This is a contradiction.

Ergo, a flaming whip does not do damage to an armored opponent.

EDIT: Forgot a step.

but you could also say:

1. A flaming weapon does 1d6 fire damage on a successful hit.
2. A whip does no damage on a successful hit on an armored opponent
3. If a flaming whip does "no damage + no damge", a flaming weapon is doing no damage on a successful hit.
4. This is a contradiction

so why would the whip's "no damage to armored opponents" beat out the flaming property's "successful hit causes 1d6 fire damage"?

 

[Hypersmurf]

so why would the whip's "no damage to armored opponents" beat out the flaming property's "successful hit causes 1d6 fire damage"?

And I'll ask the same questions about Str bonus and sneak attack as I did with the net.

If a rogue sneak attacks with a whip against an armored opponent, would you allow him to deal no damage, +7d6 sneak attack, for a total of 7d6?

-Hyp.

 

[Ferret]

Doesn't 'Does not deal damage' = 0 damage? 0+1d6 fire damage equals.....1d6 fire damage.

I'd house rule it any way, different subject though.

 

[interwyrm]

Sneak attack damage is the same type as the damage the weapon causes, right? So a shortsword sa does 1d6 + sa dice piercing, and a whip does 1d3+ sa dice slashing vs unarmored opponents... right?

Flaming, holy, shocking, etc. is not the same type.

What kind of damage does a sneak attack ray of frost do? Is it cold damage? Or can an arcane trickster do sa damage vs a cold immune creature with the ray of frost?

 

[Drowbane]

A whip does no damage to someone that has any armor bonus to AC.

What if it were a flaming whip, would the 1d6 still do damage?

What about flaming burst, if it can't do damage, can it crit?

There is a listing for a bullwhip that does slashing and bludgeoning, so it can have vorpal. If it does no damage, can the vorpal effect still work?

A flaming whip would deal 1d6 Fire dmg to someone in fullplate, while it would do 1d3 + 1d6 to someone unarmored. The concept that the whip's "does no dmg vs someone armored" applies to the extra fire dmg is purely rediculous.

However, a whip used with Sneak attack vs plate would do... no dmg? Thats funny.

 

[interwyrm]

can you apply sneak attack damage if it's a flaming whip? and in that case, would it be fire sneak attack dice?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Doesn't 'Does not deal damage' = 0 damage? 0+1d6 fire damage equals.....1d6 fire damage.

It's more likely that "Does not deal damage" = -- damage.

-- + 1d6 = N/A.

-Hyp.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

It's more likely that "Does not deal damage" = -- damage.

-- + 1d6 = N/A.

Which follows the general rule that an N/A is different from a value of 0, unless otherwise stated (like it is in the case of Natural Armor bonuses).

 

[Hypersmurf]

What kind of damage does a sneak attack ray of frost do? Is it cold damage? Or can an arcane trickster do sa damage vs a cold immune creature with the ray of frost?

Cold damage... so no, he can't.

-Hyp.

 

[jabberwocky]

It's more likely that "Does not deal damage" = -- damage.

-- + 1d6 = N/A.

-Hyp.

See, I'm not sure it matters to me whether the whip causes 0 or -- damage. The flaming property doesn't care what the base weapon is, all it cares about is if it is a weapon, and if you hit with it. If this is the case, then you do 1d6 extra fire damage. The flaming property doesn't take on the characteristics of the weapon in the way that sneak attack does. Or would you argue that a flaming sap does nonlethal-fire damage?