for the "core only" purists - availability of PrCs by class

[Kahuna Burger]

Continue the concept? You may be looking at the PRCs just fine, but you're missing the point entirely.

or you are. either way this conversation obviously isn't going anywhere. But thank you for being rude.

 

[Grimstaff]

How about laying off the Quas bashing, hmmm?

"Quas-Bashing", Sport of Champions!

 

[Grimstaff]

or you are. either way this conversation obviously isn't going anywhere. But thank you for being rude.

You're welcome.

 

[Breakdaddy]

This thread has become my new "Jackass" since the show was cancelled. Jackass 2005: featuring quasqueton and altalazar! Come see the spectacle!!!!

 

[Quasqueton]

What the hell!? What have I said that prompts this?

Quasqueton

 

[Eridanis]

"Quas-Bashing", Sport of Champions!

But not around here. We don't bash other members on the boards.

Back on topic, or the thread will be closed.

 

[Belen]

I don't know why you keep perpetuating that incorrect concept. I do not care how anyone plays D&D.

For instance, since this thread is about core-only vs. more-than-core, you should note that I've never said anything against anyone using more-than-core. (Although I do note there are insults hurled at core-only players. I don't understand why.) Core-only, official-only, 3rd-party-stuff-included, everything-ever-published, whatever, its all good if the players enjoy it.

I'm just correcting someone when they spout off incorrect "rules". BelenUmeria, you know what Rule 0 actually is. Why do you give me junk for pointing out someone is "quoting" it wrong?

How about laying off the Quas bashing, hmmm?

Quasqueton

Sorry. I was making a funny. Guess it did not come off that way.

 

[Quasqueton]

Sorry. I was making a funny. Guess it did not come off that way.

There are too many people on this board trying to paint me as as something I'm not, in nearly every thread I post in, for me to take it as funny from a neighbor.

Quasqueton

 

[Altalazar]

Except the the DMG is the "DungeonMaster's Guide." Core-only means that they players are free to use anything available in the PHB. The DMG is for the DM not the players.

It's that simple.

No, core-only means the three core rulebooks, which include the PHB, DMG, and MM. They are, after all, ALL core rulebooks.

Again, what you desccribe is something less than core-only, because you exclude the DMG, a core rulebook.

Look, there's nothing wrong with that, nor am I trying to imply there is. I'm simply saying that I think the terminology is misleading if you call something just "core-only" with no further descriptor where there are actually core rules excluded. Sort of like if I said I was running a campaign that I described as "all wizards books are fair game" and then someone joined up and played until reaching fifth level, at which point they asked about taking a PrC from a wizard's supplement, and then I told them 'no, you can't take that - no PrC' - I would think they'd be rather shocked, based on the description I had given of my campaign. A non-misleading descriptor would be 'all wizards books, minus all PrC'

 

[Barendd Nobeard]

No, core-only means the three core rulebooks, which include the PHB, DMG, and MM. They are, after all, ALL core rulebooks.

Again, what you desccribe is something less than core-only, because you exclude the DMG, a core rulebook.

No, he's not exluding the DMG. He's excluding an optional part of the DMG, not the entire book.

Look, there's nothing wrong with that, nor am I trying to imply there is. I'm simply saying that I think the terminology is misleading if you call something just "core-only" with no further descriptor where there are actually core rules excluded.

Misleading? Uh, no, it's not.

What part of "Prestige classes are purely optional and always under the purview of the DM" (DMG, page 176) don't you understand? If you ingnore that rule, which is from a core book, you are not playing CORE RULES.

The CORE RULE is that Prestige classes are optional, at DM's discretion.

A CORE RULES ONLY game can include Prestige Classes or not--at the DM's discretion.

If you address all the optional rules listed above (in Rystil Arden's post), your argument would have some credibility. But since you choose only to apply it to Prestige Classes, it just sounds like you are avoiding the evidence which doesn't support your desired conclusion.

Now, as a DM, I would explictly mention Prestige Classes being optional, just so players are not surprised later on. But in the games I play in (and run), the players usually discuss the character concept with the DM. Thus, if they're shooting for some PrC, the DM knows before the campaign even starts.

Sort of like if I said I was running a campaign that I described as "all wizards books are fair game" and then someone joined up and played until reaching fifth level, at which point they asked about taking a PrC from a wizard's supplement, and then I told them 'no, you can't take that - no PrC' - I would think they'd be rather shocked, based on the description I had given of my campaign. A non-misleading descriptor would be 'all wizards books, minus all PrC'

How about a little fire, scarecrow?