Forked Thread: Changeover poll

[BryonD]

Note, I'm only looking at those who actually did move to 3e. It's pointless to include those who never made the move in here because it doesn't answer the question.

But the other poll that you keep trying to tie this one into does include people who have no intention of ever switching.

Half of the people who moved from 2e to 3e did so sometime AFTER the release of 3e. A large chunk pretty much immedietely after, with about another third trickling in later.

55% switch AT RELEASE, so 4E is already behind. And over 70% switched within 3 months, a period we are almost halfway into. So if it is exactly the same you should be around 60%. You are at 42%. So you are running at about 2/3.

I have heard no evidence as to why this trend should not repeat in 4e. All of the factors that slowed people's change before still apply.

And you've offered no evidence why the trend will repeat. To me it is absurd to assume it will without taking into account the quality issue, which you are still ducking. All those factors are still in play. What magic prevents other factors from also being in play?

No, it is not that simple.

Yes, it is.

You have absolutely no evidence to back that up with other than personal annecdote.

You're right. I can't drag you through the screen and present you face to face with other people. It seems this inability on my part constitutes a proof that they don't exist and I am wrong. Sucks to be me.


In the mean time, your predictions have been vastly wrong and your data analysis has been very distorted.

Hell, run a poll right now asking people what edition they intend to be playing 6 months from now. People with the "standard reasons" for waiting will expect to play 4e. That'll show me up good.

 

[BryonD]

Out of curiosity, how does the number: 17% tried 4E and went back fit into your "exactly like last time" model?

Hoes does that fit with:

let's face it, the vast majority of D&D players DID make the switch. Those playing earlier editions are a pretty small minority as it stands.

?

 

[Voadam]

I was very happy with 2e but interested in 3e. I remember thinking there was not that much I'd want changed, smoother attributes, changing thief skills from a wierd subsystem and opening them up to any character, removing demihuman limits and class/alignment restrictions, some more useable monster stats beyond int. When I started hearing rumors on Eric Noah's Site about the specifics of 3e I got very interested and a bit excited.

I had preordered the 3e PHB, when it arrived late I started reading it cover to cover. I got a misprinted one missing 32 pages. From the combat section.

I loved the new multiclassing rules, the smooth attribute bonus system, removal of race restrictions, and the goal of combat balanced classes with a unified xp chart. I liked the character aspects a lot but did not know how the combat system would work and I wanted the actual rules not second hand guesses and interpretations off the net.

Not having a group at the time I didn't have friends' copies I could borrow, so I was missing significant chunks of the game. Like the whole attacks of opportunity thing.

It took about a month to get my replacement from B&N.com but without a local group at the time and my 1/year cross-country guys gaming weekend going fine with a longterm 2e campaign I was not in a rush.

Once I found the draft srd I was pretty excited.

I liked a lot of what I saw and soon picked up stuff like Sword and Fist and Rituals and Relics, and then others.

This time around I didn't preorder the books and I only have the DMG as I received it as a birthday gift. Some things sound neat, easy monster upgrading or statting of new monsters/NPCs on the fly for example, but losing things like a referenceable online srd is a serious functionality reduction for my games (which are mostly online currently).

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

It took me a while to switch from 2e, but only because a lot of the group was reluctant.

 

[Wisdom Penalty]

Dear Mr. BryonD:

1. There will be a contingent of folks that do not move forward; there always is (see Dragonsfoot).

2. There will be a contingent of those folks that, for one reason or another, are bitter about the edition change (see General RPG Discussion board).

3. And there will be a contingent of those folks that, for one reason or another, dislike anyone else playing something other than what they would choose (see Mirror).

I kid because I love.

WP