Forked Thread: Once per day non-magical effects destroy suspension of disbelief

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Each power would have to strain a particular muscle, independently of any other. And in some cases you would be too tired to execute a low level daily move twice, but perfectly able to pull off a high level one. Doesn't work for me.

Don't think of individual muscles. Think of muscle groups and the neurons necessary to fire in the right sequence to activate the groups of muscles exactly at the right time to pull off the movement.

Or just stop ignoring the narrative approach.

 

[mmu1]

The list of real world examples can go on forever to support limitations on Martial Exploits.

No, it can't.

You're choosing to show some highlights and overlook the typical - and even those really don't make your case.

The spectacular "I've only seen that in demonstrations!" finishes might look cool, but in MMA they're the exception, not the rule - for every fight ended with a flying armbar, there's fifty fights in which a guy tried 5 or 6 times to sink an armbar before he finally got it.

You're basically just choosing to call whatever ends the fight a "Daily", and ignoring the fact that most of these people will be doing their "Daily" multiple times per round, until they land the big one - which doesn't make it a "reliable" Daily ability either, it just makes it the equivalent of an at-will that resulted in a critical.

Most of the time, it's got more to do with luck than skill - fighters do the same thing over and over because it chips away at the enemy and they know that if they execute it well and patiently, they'll eventually be rewared when it lands flush.

It's pretty much the antithesis of focusing all your energy on the one big attack that you know will end the fight for you.

 

[Plane Sailing]

Ta very much.

So, Plane Sailing, if you ever make it down to London, and want to get in on a 4th Ed Planescape campaign, I am the man to call.

Well, I work in London

However, I like to get home to my wife and kids in the evening, so hooking up for a game isn't likely

I've never played in the Planescape setting, although I understand it has many fans. A 4e version sounds cool.

Cheers

 

[Steely Dan]

Well, I work in London

However, I like to get home to my wife and kids in the evening, so hooking up for a game isn't likely

Me too, well, just the wife (no little people yet), but my group gets together on Saturdays, fortnightly.

Anyway, the invitation is there.

 

[lutecius]

Oh come on, don't be like that – I think you and I could have a lot of fun together.

..Okay, the physical part can wait, but will you think about it?

Depends. What do you look like?

 

[Steely Dan]

Depends. What do you look like?

I'm a slamming, tall, dark haired, green-eyed, olive skinned, pre-op transsexual.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

No, it can't.

You're choosing to show some highlights and overlook the typical - and even those really don't make your case.

The spectacular "I've only seen that in demonstrations!" finishes might look cool, but in MMA they're the exception, not the rule - for every fight ended with a flying armbar, there's fifty fights in which a guy tried 5 or 6 times to sink an armbar before he finally got it.

You're basically just choosing to call whatever ends the fight a "Daily", and ignoring the fact that most of these people will be doing their "Daily" multiple times per round, until they land the big one - which doesn't make it a "reliable" Daily ability either, it just makes it the equivalent of an at-will that resulted in a critical.

Maybe all those attempts to get a daily through are actually at-will or encounter attacks? Only when the Daily power is used by the player and the effect is visible in the game do you know the character _really_ pulled it off.

 

[Felix]

Why would I need to, "baby"?

Oh come on, don't be like that – I think you and I could have a lot of fun together.

..Okay, the physical part can wait, but will you think about it?

This post still does not answer Dannyalcatraz's responses to your initial question, nor does it address lutecius' in any way.

If you wish to discuss 1/day exploits with regard to Barbarian rage etc, then discuss; if you simply want to vent, that's ok too. It seemed like you wanted an explanation of why your point had not been raised before when it actually had been raised, several times, and answered, several times.

 

[Shadeydm]

Maybe all those attempts to get a daily through are actually at-will or encounter attacks? Only when the Daily power is used by the player and the effect is visible in the game do you know the character _really_ pulled it off.

Except when he really pulls it off and misses, yet can't even try to pull it off anymore for 18 hrs...

 

[Ginnel]

Except when he really pulls it off and misses, yet can't even try to pull it off anymore for 18 hrs...

yup you can they just turn out to be encounters/at wills for the rest of the day because the circumstances aren't just right, go read my post on page one I'm not typing it out again.