[forked thread] What constitutes an edition war?

[Redbadge]

Oh really? Am I factually incorrect when I say that the powers of 4e remind me of City of Heroes? They do. They may not remind you of them, but then, that's why the impressions and connects are subjective, not objective. There are virtually no facts that are subject to significant dispute.

Does the repeated use of at will powers once other powers are expended in an encounter against a solo with gobs of hit points remind some players of repeatedly hitting primary attacks in WOW? Probably. Is that a fact subject to dispute? Not really, their feelings are their feelings.

I would just like to add that if you played 4e with me, you wouldn't have these feelings (probably). Of course, I make every edition more awesome (probably).

Of course, one of my convert friends, who was convinced he hated 4e, recently said to me at a session, "You know, sometimes I think you just make [stuff] up, just to get me to like it."

 

[Raven Crowking]

Edition warring overlaps with some other negative forum behaviors, but it is not those behaviors. Nor is all snark or passive/aggressiveness a sign of an edition warrior.

True; but the ultimate point was "It was him! Not me! I'm innocent!" which is, IMHO, at the root. We sometimes give ourselves too much benefit of the doubt, and the other person too little.

I'm as guilty as anyone (although I try not to be!).


RC

 

[billd91]

I would just like to add that if you played 4e with me, you wouldn't have these feelings (probably). Of course, I make every edition more awesome (probably).

I probably still would. Both were early but strong impressions I made during play tests and upon first reading the rulebooks. Those are very hard to rub out.

That said, neither makes 4e a non-playable game for me. I do play it a little bit. But I never plan on running it, I don't subscribe to DDI, I don't own any more than 2/3 of the initial core books, don't plan on ever buying more, and I can take it or leave it like no other edition of D&D I ever encountered. That's a huge change in my general orientation toward D&D. The game no longer really attracts me.

 

[Redbadge]

I probably still would.

So you're saying there's a chance (notwithstanding the entire rest of your post). A little doubt is all I need.

When can I fly you down here to beautiful Destin, Fl and show you the best system you've ever seen. I promise you don't need any books or DDI. You don't even need an open mind; that will take care of itself.

On second thought, you may never want to leave (assuming you can stand the heat and humidity). My wife probably wouldn't like it either. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to leave you with your preferred system. You seem happy enough.

 

[Aberzanzorax]

This is not an edition war, but an edition warrior comment:

If you make a sock puppet just to post in this thread, the other thread, or really, any thread so that you can say nasty things with little fear of reprisal....

*invokes Jeff Foxworthy*

...then you might be an edition warrior.

 

[diaglo]

I have come to realize that edition wars are pointless there is no winning.

i disagree.

i am an edition warrior.

i have won.

i consider myself a winner in the edition war. b/c i have a group garnered from years of battling in the edition's war.

i am refereeing OD&D(1974) and have been for 7 years in the current campaign b/c i fought and continue to fight the edition war.

i will continue to fight for my edition.

 

[DoctorNick]

Do you see what you are doing? I have watched you get kind of angry over anyone who has a negative opinion of 4E.

I have a friend who hates 3E he still plays AD&D and for years he would say that 3E was not real DnD that it had been turned into a video game.

At first I used to argue with him and then I realized it was fruitless because to him it was not DnD and it felt to video game for him. He was not wrong because this is how he felt about it.

I came to the realization that in these kind of discussions there is no right or wrong when talking about subjective opinions.

I don't like 4E because of the changes. To me they made it not DnD and they made it feel to much like a video game for my taste.

It's cool, bro I'm not mad you're reading into what I'm saying. I literally have less than 10 posts on this board so I'm not sure you can really say what my posting habits even are.

What I'm talking about here is a poster making passive-agressive edition snipes and then hiding behind technicalities when someone calls it out.

Also, 4e is still Dungeons and Dragons. Once you explain to me how Cleave the power is any different than cleave the feat (and how that makes it like an MMO) then I might listen to whatever silly opinions you posess.

 

[Elf Witch]

It's cool, bro I'm not mad you're reading into what I'm saying. I literally have less than 10 posts on this board so I'm not sure you can really say what my posting habits even are.

What I'm talking about here is a poster making passive-agressive edition snipes and then hiding behind technicalities when someone calls it out.

Also, 4e is still Dungeons and Dragons. Once you explain to me how Cleave the power is any different than cleave the feat (and how that makes it like an MMO) then I might listen to whatever silly opinions you posess.

If I took your posts the wrong way I am sorry it just how the few I read seem to come across.

It is annoying when people use passive aggressive tactics but I also think passive aggressive accusations get thrown around a lot on boards.

If I say that 4E feels to gamist in design and that is the reason I don't enjoy it and that is also the reason I don't like MMOs how am I wrong in my opinion.

Years ago Coke changed its formula to the vile Pepsi ripoff New Coke. As far as I was concerned it was no longer Coke. The product had changed to drastically for me to call it Coke.

I kind of feel the same way about 4E to me they killed so many sacred cows and changed so much of the game that it no longer felt like DnD to me.

This is simply my opinion. I don't expect everyone to agree with me and I don't think they are wrong for feeling differently about it than I do.

 

[DoctorNick]

If I say that 4E feels to gamist in design and that is the reason I don't enjoy it and that is also the reason I don't like MMOs how am I wrong in my opinion.

You are very careful to couch your language in a way that makes your point. To me, 4E doesn't feel any more "gamist" than any other edition of Dungeond and Dragons. We're both saying opposite things. Who's right?

 

[Elf Witch]

You are very careful to couch your language in a way that makes your point. To me, 4E doesn't feel any more "gamist" than any other edition of Dungeond and Dragons. We're both saying opposite things. Who's right?

Both of us are right. That is my point. When it comes to opinions on what you like or dislike about an RPG or even a soda there is no wrong answer.