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Forsaker and Raise dead

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Can a Forsaker be Raised? It states that a Forsaker does not willing accept any beneficial spells and must attempt a saving throw. Raised Dead does not have a save, it requires that the person being raised be willing to return. Does this break the Forsake Magic vow? What about other spells like teleport where the passenger has to be willing?

Mike
 

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Rashak Mani

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Hhmmm... you know its a pretty good question on the raise dead part... strictly speaking yes he shouldnt be willing to come back thru magic. Your DM could adjucate according to his life mission and greater aspects... why is he a Forsaker and so forth...

Teleport the same...
 

Magus_Jerel

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When you are dead - raise dead is a beneficial spell. You answered your own question with: the Forsaker does not willingly accept any beneficial spells.
Particular to Raising the Dead - The character must be willing to be brought back by the cleric or other character casting the spell. IIRC there is text somewhere in the PHB about the soul being raised knowing the name, alignment, and patron deity (if any are applicable) of the individual casting the spell. In this case - it would appear that the character would not accept magic from a cleric, wizard, druid - or any spellcaster for that matter.

A good rule of thumb is the following:

If the spell has any rules concerning the fact that the recipient/target must be "willing", then consider the "saving throw" to be acceptance. If the target does not accept the spell - for whatever reason, it fails.

In this particular case - not having the text of the Forsaker "Forsake Magic" restriction - I would have to say that accepting this spell would break the vow at the very least - with whatever consequences that entails.
 


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