[FR] Qilue Veladorn

[Janos Antero]

What gets me about Greenwood really isn't the sex. I'm a fan of Ann Rice among others, and highly enjoy sexual encounters in literature.

My biggest gripe about Greenwood is the juvenile way he handles nudity. It leaves the feel of early DnD campaigns with 13 year old DMs going through puberty. The overemphasis on Storm having her clothing blown off repeatedly by silverfire, or the way it is constantly mentioned that X monster ripped her clothing off barring her breasts.

Greenwood handles sex in a very tasteless peek-a-boo manner that constantly makes me wonder if he's projecting. It detracts from his books a great deal because of his style of writing.

In Crown of Fire Shandra is stripped naked by her spellfire 18 times within the first 150 pages, and ogled each time by at least one other person in the area. (It was an inside joke that a friend and I counted). Now, that's excessive to say the least in my mind. Sure she's a beautiful character, has a loving husband, etc etc.

But why did he feel the need to mention that she was naked in front of strangers 18 times? Ok, she uses spellfire, she's stripped, I get it, that’s neat, the first few times strangers get a peek it's mildly entertaining, but by the 18th? Eesh, am I reading a wannabe Daniel Steel, or epic fantasy?

Basically Greenwood seems to have penial size issues tied up in Elminster and his other pet characters where he lives out a little fantasy. He's a good writer for the most part, but personally I think he needs to grow up a little in writing his sexual encounters, so they stop coming off like a 13 year old fantasy to see a naked woman.

Making a godly powerful munchkin to protect the realms is a great idea. Making that same individual the pet of the goddess, and that she has 7 beautiful daughters whom he is intimate with (if not necessarily sexually, I'll leave that point for debate).

Then have the women constantly end up naked repeatedly...

Anyone else seeing the same sort of issues?

*Paging Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud*

 

[Oaken25]

I suppose. I guess I have no problem with people being naked in a fantasy setting. Espeically in FR. men and women are pretty well equal there. And well after living for 300 years or longer, they really don't care if they are naked or not.

Not to sound like a pain but maybe you have issues with people being naked huh? But that's a whole different debate. Ah let's just drop this, the thread got high jacked. But for me that type of stuff doesn't bother me, it makes sense to me at least in that type of setting. Shrug. But pretty much every thing so far said after the first post is opinions. Some people like Ed's writting and some dont, or at least some like parts of it and some don't.

Now if you want to read a author who has issues, pick of some of goodkinds books, some of the stuff in those novels did kind of shock me at first but shrug the way he wrote about it made sense to the story so again doesn't bother me.

Oh and I forgot to post it earlier since I wasn't really awake at the time. Ed didn't come up with Qilue's background Steven Schend did and Ed just took his notes and finished writting it up for the Seven Sisters book. In Ed's version of FR, she was just a black sheep of the family and he was thinking more along the lines of a tomboy.

 

[Janos Antero]

Read much Ann Rice? I actually like Goodkind books as well, that was actually my point in it's entirity. In some writing styles it fits, in others it doesn't fit, or is mishandled.

Greenwood falls into the latter catagory in my opinion.

I didn't know the part about Qilue, good to know at least, but the story is still pushing plausibility more than the mostly tolerable limit of FR.

 

[Oaken25]

Read much Ann Rice? I actually like Goodkind books as well, that was actually my point in it's entirity. In some writing styles it fits, in others it doesn't fit, or is mishandled.

Greenwood falls into the latter catagory in my opinion.

I didn't know the part about Qilue, good to know at least, but the story is still pushing plausibility more than the mostly tolerable limit of FR.

Aye. Well again I have no problem with Ed's stories and well I read to be entertained, if the book or author does that then great.

And no I don't really like Anne Rices books actually. I think there dry and boring. The only one I did like were her mummy ones and the witches ones. I cant stand her vampire books. Her sister though has some nice books about werewolves. hehe. That family is a bit odd.

 

[jester47]

I percieve the novels set in FR and the FRCS as two entirely different places. Individual actions in the novels dont happen in the setting. besides page 280 of the FRCS says the following:

"Elue perished in 767, consumed by the divine power she held, and Dornal abanoned his family in grief. The young sisters were fostered to various folk throughout Faerun."

So while Qilue's birth is strange, it does not necessarily happen the same way in the source or the novels. Simply put it is easier to say these bodies were not swapped but rather the essences. The power of mystra saved and revitalised the body of the dead child in the drow mothers womb.

Thats how it happened IMC.

Thus a drow who is the spiritual daughter of Mystra, Elue and Dornal, but genetically has no relation to the other six.

The symbolism becomes more powerful in that it shows that there might be some destiny of the drow subrace being redeemed and seen as a spiritual sibling to the rest of the elves.

But at this point I might be reading too much into it.

Aaron.

 

[Robbert Raets]

I'd have to agree that there are no actual references in the novels and fragments I've read to any carnal relationship between 'old El' and Storm. It has been said, in several sources, that Storm, and one or two of her sisters, have absolutely no problems with dancing around or bathing "sky-clad". It's usually the spectators who are shocked or embarrassed. I can't say I found any of those scenes particularly juvenile or anything. Wether mr. Greenwood is a Freudian Nutjob remains to be seen... I've never met or heard him speak, so you'll have to wait for my opinion until I come overseas for a Con.