Free RPG day Ebberon Black Ooze escape

[keterys]

And as a point of reference, in the free RPG party the invoker has an at-will radiant attack and the paladin's mark and daily power are radiant.

 

[Glyfair]

And as a point of reference, in the free RPG party the invoker has an at-will radiant attack and the paladin's mark and daily power are radiant.

Well, in the OP situation, the invoker is the one engulfed. Given the at will is a ranged attack, there is a major issue there with them being the one engulfed.

As an aside, Keith repeats his comments here, and comments on some other parts of the adventure here.

 

[teachamath]

With the dazed effect permanent while inside, the invoker either attacked and took 10 necrotic or tried to escape. Since the pregens were poorly skilled for this adventure, the player could only escape with an 18 on the die. Since the party had only one radiant daily for the paladin (and its damage was incorrectly halved by the dm), the characters inside had to try to get out or DIE. The invoker and artificer were screwed from the beginning. Since I was playing one of them and I knew the outcome was death, I tried convincing the dm of the effect being a GRAB and forced movement works. No dice and death ensued. Good adventure overall but crappy encounter.

 

[Blizzardb]

You might want to re-read the OP before you post something like this.

Not only was the DM supposed to be using RAW ("Free RPG Day"), but the poster is posting here because the battle was NOT fun.

I thought you were talking about my DM, not his.

 

[LostSoul]

That sounds like an interesting encounter. Hmm... I think I might steal something like that.

Any reason it was a creature and not a trap/hazard?

If I were running that encounter:

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I probably would allow someone to "push" the darkness with a powerful enough light source, like a sunrod. I'd probably even let them do damage with that attack.

edit: If I were playing in that encounter, I'd throw a rope in and try to drag the PC out. Then regroup.

 

[Hellcow]

As printed, the encounter really doesn't run the way I planned it. However, I have to accept responsibility for the fact that my tactics section was quite long, and the editor had to squeeze it down to fit the encounter on one page. The problem is that they refocused it to be a purely combat encounter, whereas for me, it's really supposed to be flavor. Again, in Fellowship of the Ring, they don't KILL the Watcher in the Water - they need to escape from it.

So...

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My original intent was to give the PCs a chance to get into the room before the darkness acts. It's supposed to be a bit of "The room is utterly dark and no light will penetrate it... what do you do?" before combat begins. When combat DOES begin, you want a moment of "What IS this?" as the darkness becomes solid around you. I wouldn't play it especially tactically sharp (singling out the weakest characters) because it isn't really a sentient thing; it's hungry darkness. The original tactics specifically called out that radiant damage infuriated it and would draw it away from other targets - and again, that it wouldn't venture too close to the edge of the room.

With that said, in terms of freeing an engulfed character who can't get away on his own, with Eberron, my goal is always to think of what would make a good scene in a movie or book, and to reward creative thinking. I'd PERSONALLY allow the artificer to use thunder armor to free himself, because I can see it in my mind... the darkness solidifying around the character and then shattering as the concussive force explodes from his armor. I'd also definitely allow a PC to either help an adjacent engulfed PC escape as a move action (using Athletics against the darkness and leaving the PC adjacent to the darkness) or to grab the PC as a standard action against the defense of the darkness, but then being able to use a move action to run, dragging the grabbed character. Lostsoul's idea is also an interesting one. As it's clearly stated that no light can penetrate the gloom, I wouldn't let a sunrod alone provide complete protection; but I might allow a character flinging a sunrod at the darkness to distract it and give the character trapped inside a bonus to an escape check. Depending on how the scene was playing out, I might allow a character using a radiant attack to spend an action point to make the radiance even more brilliant and add a push effect to that one attack... but I've always been one to allow action points to perform dramatic actions outside the rules.

Anyhow, I am sad this encounter got shifted from my original intent and has become a source of frustration, though as I said, I have to take responsibility for overwriting; if I'd made my point more concisely it might not have been edited in the first place. If you are planning to run the adventure but haven't yet, I'd suggest that you keep these comments in mind.

 

[keterys]

The interesting bit for me was getting to see the transformation from intention to final product here. Thanks so much for the information, Keith.

 

[Nail]

The interesting bit for me was getting to see the transformation from intention to final product here. Thanks so much for the information, Keith.

Me too. Thanks, Keith!

 

[renau1g]

Indeed. I plan to run this adventure myself, having picked up a copy and will follow your suggestions!