Full Attack Action

[Steely Dan]

We sure full attack is gone and its not like Saga where iterative attacks are gone?

The full round action may be in, but the full attack is definitely gone.

For what it's worth, David Noonan told me that full attacks are gone in 4th Ed.

 

[Naszir]

The full round action may be in, but the full attack is definitely gone.

For what it's worth, David Noonan told me that full attacks are gone in 4th Ed.

Here is a thought:

Since combat is an abstraction why do we consider one d20 roll a single swipe of the sword? One d20 roll can count as various minor slashes, almost hits, and exhausting an opponent by making hiim strain to avoid a hit.

So my suggestion:

If you roll a hit, any iterative attacks you have automatically count a 1d6 points of damage (plus strength bonus to each one). Yes, similar to sneak attack but slightly better.

I realize that this takes away from those who are using heavy damage weapons but I think there needed to be a trade off for the automatic damage that would happen.

Either that or maybe you can automatically deal half of the damage dice (rounded up) of the weapon you are using per iterative attack you have. Maybe that is a better compromise.

Example: A fighter with a 16 Strength, two attacks and using a longsword makes one attack roll. He hits and rolls:

d8 +3 for Strength (represents first attack)
and automatically gets + 7 (represents second attack: +4 for the longsword, +3 from Str.)

 

[Klaus]

The full round action may be in, but the full attack is definitely gone.

For what it's worth, David Noonan told me that full attacks are gone in 4th Ed.

Full Attacks as in the Full Attack Action that gave you iterative attacks, yeah.

But Attacking with Two Weapons and other Full-Round Actions that can be used to attack? I don't know.

 

[Grazzt]

Full Attacks as in the Full Attack Action that gave you iterative attacks, yeah.

But Attacking with Two Weapons and other Full-Round Actions that can be used to attack? I don't know.

Yep. Agreed. Maybe multiple attacks are just handled as a standard action (or whatever) with a penalty to all the attack rolls. Monster attacks with claw, normal attack roll. Monster attacks with claw/claw/bite routine, all 3 attack rolls are at -4 (or -5 or whatever)

 

[Steely Dan]

1.) Full Attacks as in the Full Attack Action that gave you iterative attacks, yeah.

2.) But Attacking with Two Weapons and other Full-Round Actions that can be used to attack? I don't know.

1.) The full attack action, period, is gone in 4th Ed.

2.) You will be able to attack with two weapons in 4th Ed, but it will now be a standard action.

 

[Klaus]

1.) The full attack action, period, is gone in 4th Ed.

2.) You will be able to attack with two weapons in 4th Ed, but it will now be a standard action.

Interrrrresting.

 

[Lord Zardoz]

As the full attack action is going bye-bye in 4th Ed, I was wondering what would be the best way to go about removing the full attack action from the current 3.5 system.

As has been pointed out, Iterative Attack != Full Attack. We know that the Iterative attack is gone, but we have not been cleanly told what will replace it.

END COMMUNICATION

 

[Jeff Wilder]

Thank you so much for all of this, I will be printing it out and mulling it over.

My pleasure.

The new DDM rules are freely available on WotC's site, BTW, as are 70 or so cards formatted with the new rules. If you're really looking for house rules for 3.5, cribbed from 4E, that's easily going to be your best source. (So far.) If you can read and grok the new pit fiend stat-block, BTW, you won't have much trouble figuring out what in the DDM rules and cards will translate closely to 4E.

 

[Steely Dan]

As has been pointed out, Iterative Attack != Full Attack.

Okay, I'm going to have another stab at this:

THERE IS NO FULL ATTACK ACTION IN 4TH ED.

And full attacks are not just iterative attacks, they are also when a monster uses its an entire array of natural weapons.

So when a monster slaps you with his claw, bite and knob or whatever, it will be a Standard action in 4th Ed.

 

[Steely Dan]

The new DDM rules are freely available on WotC's site, BTW, as are 70 or so cards formatted with the new rules. If you're really looking for house rules for 3.5, cribbed from 4E, that's easily going to be your best source. (So far.) If you can read and grok the new pit fiend stat-block, BTW, you won't have much trouble figuring out what in the DDM rules and cards will translate closely to 4E.

Right on, yeah, I have been culling ideas from the new DDM rules and cards, and of course the Spined Devil and Pit Fiend.