[Full - Waiting for complete characters] Loex’edar: The Dragon War

[Nonlethal Force]

Nonlethal Force- It looks to me as though Flitterdust should have a +11 for both grapple checks and initiative. Also, though I know you aren't planning on getting in melee if you can help it, please post your attack values anyway

Scout,

Here's how I got the values for grapple and init:
Grapple: 8 [Dragon BAB=HD] + 7 [10 levels of Favored Soul] + 0 [STR] - 0 [Small] = 15

The only thing that I could think would be wrong is if the fairie dragon BAB isn't 8 because it's not a true dragon. If so, let me know what it should be and I'll change it. I don't have the book they are in, so that could well be why it is off.

Init: 7 [DEX] + 4 [Improved Init Feat] + 2 [Quick Reconnoiter Feat, Complete Adventurer] = 13

I'm pretty sure this one's right.

As far as attacks, without having the Dracomicon - does the fairie dragon get the normal attacks (bite, tail, wings, 2 claws) and they use the damage for a small creature? I'll be happy to post them, I just wasn't sure if a wee dragon like a fairie dragon would get all those attacks.

 

[Goddess FallenAngel]

As far as attacks, without having the Dracomicon - does the fairie dragon get the normal attacks (bite, tail, wings, 2 claws) and they use the damage for a small creature? I'll be happy to post them, I just wasn't sure if a wee dragon like a fairie dragon would get all those attacks.

There's a handy little chart in the DMG under the main dragon entry that gives which attacks your dragon gets based on size, and what damage die each attack does. I'm pretty sure that it applies to all dragon-type creatures, not just true dragons, since it has sizes listed down to Tiny (and I don't think even wyrmling True Dragons are Tiny).

Anyway, according to the chart, a Small size dragon gets 1 Bite at 1d6 and 2 Claws at 1d4 each.

 

[Wrahn]

Scout,

Here's how I got the values for grapple and init:
Grapple: 8 [Dragon BAB=HD] + 7 [10 levels of Favored Soul] + 0 [STR] - 0 [Small] = 15

The only thing that I could think would be wrong is if the fairie dragon BAB isn't 8 because it's not a true dragon. If so, let me know what it should be and I'll change it. I don't have the book they are in, so that could well be why it is off.

Small is -4 to grapple, medium is +0

 

[scout989]

Ah, sorry, missed the CAdv feat- not completely familiar with that book yet. However, as Wrahn said, small size carries a -4 grapple check penalty. And GFA is correct as to your natural attacks.
Sorry it took so long to reply, the boards wouldn't let me on for a while there.
Scout

 

[Nonlethal Force]

Anyway, according to the chart, a Small size dragon gets 1 Bite at 1d6 and 2 Claws at 1d4 each.

Thanks, GFA. I'd imagine any creature pretty much gets a bite and claw as long as it has 'em.

Oh, and Wrahn. Thanks. Read the chart wrong - always do read that chart wrong for some reason. I even said to myself - boy, that's strange - usually the medium is the base and is zero. So I checked it twice. For some reason that line in the book always gives me trouble. Oh well.

 

[Nonlethal Force]

Modifications made in the RG thread post. Hope everything turned out okay. Attack for the bite was 16 (BAB = 15, STR 0, Size = +1). That would make the claws at 11 being secondary attacks without the multiattack feat. Of course, I suppose it would really be 16/11/6 for the bite .. but like I said - if things go well I won't be worrying too much about it.

I changed the grapple to the 11 it should be.

Any other problems, please let me know!

And I had the same problem logging on as you did, scout. Musta been doing work on the baords, I figure.

 

[Wrahn]

Hey glad I could help

I know how it easy it is to make little mistakes like that, believe me I have made my share.

 

[scout989]

Of course, I suppose it would really be 16/11/6 for the bite .. but like I said - if things go well I won't be worrying too much about it.

No, natural attacks don't get iterative attacks as armed attacks do. You have a bite attack at +16- and a full attack routine of claw/claw/bite.

 

[Nonlethal Force]

That's right. Sorry, first time building a dragon as a player. These things are so much easier to pull one up as a villian or even an NPC. But all the mechanics that go into one as a player are taking a little while to get into. Sorry if I seem like a dolt!

 

[scout989]

That's right. Sorry, first time building a dragon as a player. These things are so much easier to pull one up as a villian or even an NPC. But all the mechanics that go into one as a player are taking a little while to get into. Sorry if I seem like a dolt!

No worries there. I'm having an interesting time with it as well!