[Future] Mars & Venus, Terraformed...

Pbartender, that is a very cool idea for Venus terroforming gone "wrong".

FWIW I am positive there was a "Blue" Venus floating around out there for Fractal Terrains/CC2, but I can't seem to find it anymore...


Jondor_Battlehammer said:
I don't want to be the one to crunch the numbers for a bank shot.
(Hmm, smilies not working... Well, this is me cringing.)
It's the conversion to metric that will get you every time! ;)
 
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Can someone give me aquick run down on how terraformign would work, how long it would take etc.

Is a situation like that in the show Firefly fiesable (ie. all the planets/moons look like borderline desert)?
 

Don't know how accurate this is, but according to this page you couldn't have standing liquid water on Mars without increasing the atmospheric pressure.

I can see how a large gravitational mass could be used to pull atmosphere off a planet, but is there any way to add to it? I assume that is extra gasses were just added, the low gravity would cause them to slip off into space. And there's probably no easy way to increase a planet's gravity...
 

Olive said:
Can someone give me aquick run down on how terraformign would work, how long it would take etc.

Depending greatly on the planet being terraformed, and the method of terraforming, it realistically could take anywhere from thousands of years to hundreds of thousands of years. Science fictional technology, of course, can decrease the time frame greatly.

The methods very widely, but essentially, you are tring to turn another planet into a place that's earth-like... that is, a place where humans, and other earth creatures could live without the necessity for artificial life support.

That means you first have to find an appropriate planet... Mars is the best choice in our solar system, with Venus a distant second. Mainly, you are looking for a planet in approximately the right orbit (since that's the toughest thing to change) from its sun, with enough gravity to keep you and an atmoshpere sticking to the ground, and an existing environment that isn't too hostile (a cold, low pressure world is easier to deal with than a hot, high pressure world).

Next, you have to make the changes. Add water, oxygen, and nitrogen. Maybe a little carbon dioxide for the green house effect. Lay down some top soil. There are many ways to do it... You build terraforming factories that mechanically or chemically produce the right elements. Or you could bio-engineer plants (beginning with bacteria, algae, lichens and moss) that survive in the planet's current environment and excrete the components of the evironment you want. In a sci-fi setting, you can simply use advanced tech to take the molecules and atoms apart and rebuild them into what you want.

Olive said:
Is a situation like that in the show Firefly fiesable (ie. all the planets/moons look like borderline desert)?

Probably not all of them. Mars could certainly be turned into a 'cold' desert, and Venus has potential as a 'hot' desert, though it would much more difficult to terraform. As for the others... Mercury is far too hot and small to mess with. Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Nepture are all gas giants too large to mess with*. Pluto and all the moons are too small and too cold to mess with**. Asteroids aren't even worth mentioning.

*Although, it is entirely feasible that a layer that has earth-equivalent gravity, temperature and pressure could exist within a gas giant's atmosphere. The down side is that there is no ground... You have to find a way to suspend all your habitats in mid-air (think Cloud City from The Empire Strikes Back). A failure of your suspension system would be catastrophic.

**Europa, however, has a surface crust of ice... It is theorized that a liquid layer of water may exist deep beneath this ice layer, and if is does, it could support organisms similar to those that live in our deepest oceans.
 
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Byrons_Ghost said:
Don't know how accurate this is, but according to this page you couldn't have standing liquid water on Mars without increasing the atmospheric pressure.

Of course not. That's why all of our space probes and telescopes haven't found any standing water on Mars. That's why you'd have to terraform it to create standing water.

Byrons_Ghost said:
I can see how a large gravitational mass could be used to pull atmosphere off a planet, but is there any way to add to it? I assume that is extra gasses were just added, the low gravity would cause them to slip off into space. And there's probably no easy way to increase a planet's gravity...

Gasses could be locked in solid or liquid form beneath the planet's surface. it is theorized that warming Mars up could produce enough outgassing from the planet itself to increase its surface pressure from ~0.7 mbar to 50-150 mbar... roughly 1/10th earth pressure at sea level. That would be enough pressure to allow free standing liquid water.

You can create earth equivalent pressures on Mars, it just takes a thicker atmosphere to maintain the same pressure, since the gravity is lower.

Low gravity might cause some atmosphere to slip away, but it would be an exceedingly slow process on the order of millions of years. Essentially, in the far upper reaches of atmosphere, air molecules may travel a very long distance without colliding without another molecule. If the molecule's velocity exceeds that of the planet's escape velocity, it stands a good chance of shooting off into space, never to return again. For planets like Earth, Venus and Mars, that's only a real concern with the lightest elements... Hydrogen and Helium.

The real concern for Mars would be the solar wind eroding the atmosphere, since Mars has a pretty magnetic field. The thicker atmosphere that comes with an earth normal pressure on a light gravity world would help alleviate that.
 
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