[game console] Advice sought

mojo1701 said:
Although I don't think that any of the consoles are inherently superior to one another
Except for:
- the ability to play DVDs (sorry Gamecube),
- High Def output (sorry PS2, and Gamecube only does 480p),
- Dolby 5.1 sound (sorry PS2 and Gamecube),
- built in ethernet adapter or built in hard drive (yeah you can buy these separately for the PS2 and the ethernet adapter for the Gamecube)

As far as technical specs are concerned, there's no question that the XBox is superior. The argument about which console to buy generally comes down to what games you want to play.

I have an XBox and a Gamecube myself.
 
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shadowlight said:
- High Def output (sorry PS2, and Gamecube only does 480p),
- Dolby 5.1 sound (sorry PS2 and Gamecube),
Just FYI, PS2 does both 480p and DTS (but only on games that were programmed with it). The DTS is superior to the Xbox's Dolby Digital, IMO.
- built in ethernet adapter or built in hard drive (yeah you can buy these separately for the PS2 and the ethernet adapter for the Gamecube)
The ethernet adapter comes with all except the oldest PS2s.
As far as technical specs are concerned, there's no question that the XBox is superior. The argument about which console to buy generally comes down to what games you want to play.
Exactly.

I have all three (plus a schwack of the older systems), as each of them has a set of great games. I couldn't just go with one or two systems.
 


shadowlight said:
As far as technical specs are concerned, there's no question that the XBox is superior. The argument about which console to buy generally comes down to what games you want to play.

Yeah, from what I've read the XBox seems like it's way ahead of the other two technically. But as a console, it wouldn't be my first choice because it doesn't seem to have any games that really appeal to me. Like I said above, the backwards compatibility of the PS2 makes it the system of choice for me, since I can use my PS1 games on it too.
 

drothgery said:
I don't know why any adult with normal-sized hands would have any problems with the original Xbox controller, which is my favorite of the 4 (Xbox original, Xbox controller S, GameCube, PS2) by far. The others are somewhat less comfortable for long duration-gaming.

I'm not normal... I'm 6'4 and can palm a NBA sized basketball and I find the Xbox original controller to be uncomfortable. :lol: but it is far better than the PS2 controller...

As for which system to get, I can't tell you that and neither can anyone else... Also any true video gamer can find a game to like/love on any system so it really comes down to preference.

I myself have all three systems, I haven't touched my PS2 in forever, my Xbox sees the most use and if a game comes on all three systems than I get the Xbox version cause I know its going to have the best graphics, the most complete game, and I'm not going to be looking for a memory card, or space for a save, at some crucial point in a game.

With a kid you’re hard pressed to not look at a Gamecube. It is an awesome system and with the cheapness of DVD players these days I’m not sure what your gaining beside wear on tear by using your game system to watch a movie anyhow.

Edit: PS your also going to have issues finding a PS2 right now anyhow since their still recovering from their total recall of their new thin deign. (its so thin it overheats.)
 
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Brother Shatterstone said:
As for which system to get, I can't tell you that and neither can anyone else... Also any true video gamer can find a game to like/love on any system so it really comes down to preference.

Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about.

Edit: PS your also going to have issues finding a PS2 right now anyhow since their still recovering from their total recall of their new thin deign. (its so thin it overheats.)

A friend of mine from time to time has problems with his (older version) PS2. The laser gets out of alignment every so often has to crack it open and adjust it, close it, check it out, and if it doesn't work, repeat.
 
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Dru's opinion: it depends.

I own all three systems. I have a HDTV, and I have two kids (4.5 and 7.5). We have DDR pads, and several versions of the game. We also have Kongas for Donkey Konga and Taiko Drum Master, among other things.

Technically, the Xbox is the superior platform, on a hardware basis. This, however, isn't terribly relevant to actual usage, as often as not. Most consoles are worth selecting based on the quality of their exclusives, or features that appeal to you.

ALL three systems output to HDTV. 90% of Nintendo's 1st-party titles can be displayed at 480p widescreen, as can most X-box games. Some PS2 games can do this, but it's not a widespread feature, and Sony's support has been poor. It should be noted that while the Xbox can do 1080i resolutions, very few actually do. KOTOR and Halo2, for example, are 480p only. Xbox support of HDTV is much better implemented overall, however.

The gamecube lacks two features the others have: network connectivity and DVD playing. How important these features are is up to the individual. Both the Xbox and PS2 aren't very good DVD players, and I NEVER use mine for that purpose. When the PS2 was new, this was a great feature, but many DVD-players are now cheaper than most new games (and that's not factoring in the cost of remote control module for either unit). PS2 online gaming is clumsy and inelegant compared to the Xbox. Xbox live is a thing of beauty, and a reason to buy the system....if you like playing online games, that is. Xbox also offers downloadable extended content for many of it's games through Live, as well, which is a nice feature, too. For those so inclined, Xbox is also the best unit to hack and turn into a DVR or what have you.

What Gamecube does have, however, are some of the best games for a family environment and the single best wireless controller EVAR. The 'cube also has some excellent pack-ins, is much more portable than it's competitors and is the least expensive of the three (and has better support in Japan than Xbox has, by a wide margin). The cube also has the most party games of any console, if you like that sort of thing (and I do). While we're on the topic of games, btw, the 'cube also has some of the best 'I can play with my kids or with my kids in the room' games. It will be nicer when some more imports (such as the Naruto fighting game) make their way to these shores.

PS/2, of course, has the most games, bar none, and backwards compatability to boot. It's got the most sold units, which means the easiest to get third party products and software for. It dominates some categories (such as console RPGs, arcade fighters, tactical games) and has solid contenders in every category. It has more beatmania games (such as DDR, Para-para and so on) than the other two by a huge margin. A nice bonus is being able to buy some of the console's best titles from the past for a pittance, such as Metal Gear Solid 2 or Devil May Cry for a mere $6.


If DDR is your consideration, I would recommend the PS2. Xbox really only has DDR Max to work with, while the PS/2 has both the PS1 and PS2 DDR games to choose from, which gives you the most songs and widest variety. I HIGHLY recommend the Disney version of DDR, for a good song selection, excellent tutorial mode and selectable skill level. Regular DDR is brutal, IMHO, and not a good beginning point for someone new to the series.

I hope you're on the ground floor, by the way, as jumping on DDR pads will sound like herding elephants to people beneath you. Take the word of one who knows. :)

Ultimately, each system is well worth your money, depending on your desires. There is no wrong answer, just the best choice for you. Give us some more specifics, and I'd be glad to offer more advice.
 

Just wanted to drop the news that, while there isn't currently a Gamecube version of DDR, there will be soon. From DDRfreak.com:

DDR Freak has discovered a few screenshots of a possible DDR game for Game Cube. It definitely looks interesting! We'll bring more details as we find them.

Here's some details:

* It's title will be "Dance Dance Revolution with Mario"
* Konami and Nintendo are co-publishing the title.
* Will support 1-2 players and will be bundled with a dance mat
* Will have mini-games.
* To be released Summer of 2005.
* Will be officially unveiled at the 2005 World Hobby Fair in Tokyo on 16 January.

Our friends at GamesAreFun.com have more information. You can read the story here.

Finally, life after MC Groovz Dance Craze!
 
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WizarDru said:
It should be noted that while the Xbox can do 1080i resolutions, very few actually do. KOTOR and Halo2, for example, are 480p only.
Any ideas which ones do 1080i? I haven't found one yet, but I have found 3 that do 720p.
Xbox support of HDTV is much better implemented overall, however.
Agreed (as most of the Xbox games also do anamorphic widescreen - virtually none of the 480p GCN games do that, unfortunately). Who has progressive scan TVs that aren't widescreen?
PS2 online gaming is clumsy and inelegant compared to the Xbox. Xbox live is a thing of beauty, and a reason to buy the system....if you like playing online games, that is. Xbox also offers downloadable extended content for many of it's games through Live, as well, which is a nice feature, too.
Definitely a case of "you get what you pay for", since the PS2 online is free. Xbox Live had better be a thing of beauty, as you have to pay a (annual) chunk of change to subscribe on top of your broadband fees (as well as additional fees for that downloadable content). As to be expected, the best online is still the PC (free and reasonably elegant). Unlike WizarDru, my recommendation is that if you're interested in online gaming, consoles are not where it's at.
What Gamecube does have, however, are some of the best games for a family environment and the single best wireless controller EVAR.
With no rumble. :( A serious disappointment on an otherwise fantastic wireless controller (makes playing Zelda... not fun). But that's just me - I've been entirely spoiled with controller force-feedback, and won't go without anymore (especially as more games are including it as a gameplay feature).
 

arnwyn said:
Any ideas which ones do 1080i? I haven't found one yet, but I have found 3 that do 720p.

Well, there's Enter the Matrix...and...um...Enter the Matrix. :)
Actually, there are four games that do 1080i that I know of, the other three being MX Unleashed, Dragon's Lair 3D, Syberia and (seriously) Atari Anthology. ('cuz who doesn't want to play Atari's Adventure in High-Def...?).

Here's a list of some HDTV X-box games. There are also lists for HDTV-enabled Gamecube and PS/2 games. Note that only the X-box support anything other than PLII for sound, for the most part. For Nintendo's part, they've stated that only 1% of their users wanted component HDTV output, but 90% of their games support it natively. Sony doesn't seem to care all that much, which is odd (not unlike their belief that plasma and flatscreen technologies weren't going to be as popular as tube CRTs). All I can tell you is that Rogue Squadron at 480p made the Imperial Walkers look like the dang movie. It was luscious. Halo 2 in 480p is a hella-sweet.

Gran Tourismo 4 has just been announced to be 1080i. Resident Evil 4 doesn't do widescreen, which is just plain dumb, a common Nintendo problem, as you mentioned. For the record, though, there are plenty of HDTV's that are 4:3, especially in the smaller sizes. My friend has a 40" Sony Wega (the 40XBR800) that is 4:3, and it looks superb.

arnwyn said:
Unlike WizarDru, my recommendation is that if you're interested in online gaming, consoles are not where it's at.

Well, no one asked that. If you're big into Online gaming, I whole-heartedly agree. I was recommending Xbox as the best online gaming, if you're buying a console and that's a factor. I ain't playing NWN, WoW or CoH on a console, and the mouse/keyboard combo is still the best way to play an FPS. But there's something to be said for powering up a console, pressing four-buttons for a password, and then joining a game with two more button presses. Joining an online game of UT2004, HL2 or Doom3 is far more difficult and far less enjoyable, IMHO.
 
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