GAME OF THRONES #6:-A Golden Crown ACT 6 Chapter 1-2011

[NewJeffCT]

I have to admit, in spite of myself, I felt some compassion for Viserys there at the end. i felt it in the novel too, when he says, "That's all I wanted, what was promised" it's hard not to feel a sense of pity for him.

In other news, Tyrion is still awesome, and isn't there some big enormous Wall of Ice in this story? When will we be seeing that again?

In the books, he is about as irredeemable as can be - I'd use a lot stronger language for him if it were allowed. Major-League @#!%

It was pretty clear in the books that he completely misunderstood the Dothraki culture and became a pathetic character, not even worthy of pity, only mockery.

I think he is there only to show how much Dany matures and grows - she feared him her whole life until after she was wed to Khal Drogo.

 

[Kzach]

On a side note, is it me or does the Lannister kid look weird?

All of them are... they're inbreds remember.

 

[Krug]

In the books, he is about as irredeemable as can be - I'd use a lot stronger language for him if it were allowed. Major-League @#!%

It was pretty clear in the books that he completely misunderstood the Dothraki culture and became a pathetic character, not even worthy of pity, only mockery.

I think he is there only to show how much Dany matures and grows - she feared him her whole life until after she was wed to Khal Drogo.

Actually he was far more sympathetic in the book. He was the one that taught Dany about her culture, and she felt a great debt to him, rather than just fear. Just before his death, she even said that she would give him the dragon eggs if he asked for them.

 

[Fast Learner]

Actually he was far more sympathetic in the book. He was the one that taught Dany about her culture, and she felt a great debt to him, rather than just fear. Just before his death, she even said that she would give him the dragon eggs if he asked for them.

Wow, I found him far less sympathetic in the book, selfish and cruel far beyond how he was depicted on TV. Danny's saying that she would have given him the eggs showed how much manipulative influence he still had over her despite her finally breaking free, an issue for most abused women toward their abusers, in my experience.

 

[NewJeffCT]

Actually he was far more sympathetic in the book. He was the one that taught Dany about her culture, and she felt a great debt to him, rather than just fear. Just before his death, she even said that she would give him the dragon eggs if he asked for them.

I'm in the midst of re-reading the book now and just read that section the other day. I'll have to agree with [MENTION=649]Fast Learner[/MENTION] on this one.

 

[Remus Lupin]

Book Viserys suffers from being seen only through Dany's eyes, whereas TV Viserys has a chance to develop some countours apart from how Dany perceives him. Those contours make him (marginally) more sympathetic to me than he comes across in the book.

It also helps that the actor portraying him does a good job of evoking something more than "I'm a complete monster whom you should absolutely hate and cheer when I die" from the character.

 

[NewJeffCT]

Book Viserys suffers from being seen only through Dany's eyes, whereas TV Viserys has a chance to develop some countours apart from how Dany perceives him. Those contours make him (marginally) more sympathetic to me than he comes across in the book.

It also helps that the actor portraying him does a good job of evoking something more than "I'm a complete monster whom you should absolutely hate and cheer when I die" from the character.

good point on book Viserys

Also agree on Tyrion - he's definitely one of my favorite characters in the books.

 

[Krug]

Wow, I found him far less sympathetic in the book, selfish and cruel far beyond how he was depicted on TV. Danny's saying that she would have given him the eggs showed how much manipulative influence he still had over her despite her finally breaking free, an issue for most abused women toward their abusers, in my experience.

Well IMO she had broken free quite a while ago. She had found satisfaction with Drago, becoming her own woman, and Viserys had already been humiliated earlier. By the time Vis got his golden helmet she just had sympathy for him; he was the equivalent of a fool in the eyes of the horsemen, and only he couldn't see that.

 

[Fast Learner]

Book Viserys suffers from being seen only through Dany's eyes, whereas TV Viserys has a chance to develop some countours apart from how Dany perceives him. Those contours make him (marginally) more sympathetic to me than he comes across in the book.

Dany's eyes, though, are the eyes of an abused person in a codependent relationship. If anything, he's probably nastier than we see him through her.

TV Viserys is written by somebody else. I agree that TV Viserys is more sympathetic, but I don't agree that it's because we're getting a more objective view: they're not the same character, really, as far as I see.

 

[NewJeffCT]

Well IMO she had broken free quite a while ago. She had found satisfaction with Drago, becoming her own woman, and Viserys had already been humiliated earlier. By the time Vis got his golden helmet she just had sympathy for him; he was the equivalent of a fool in the eyes of the horsemen, and only he couldn't see that.

sympathy, or did she pity him for the pathetic loser that he was?