Gaming W/Jemal - Epic Mortal Kombat (Character creation.)

[Vertexx69]

No specific jibe against ya, just a general statement about the template. As I had been reading it in the ELH.

However do you have 3 quarterstaves or did you just not pay the +50% extra to stack abilities? Just the +5 bonecrushing(+2), disrupting(+2), defending(+1) (both endsX2) quarterstaff = +20 weapon which costs 8million gold. And both alacrity and souldrinker are Epic lvl specific items, so to add anything extra to one of them incurs epic lvl prices.

 

[Darimaus]

No specific jibe against ya, just a general statement about the template. As I had been reading it in the ELH.

However do you have 3 quarterstaves or did you just not pay the +50% extra to stack abilities? Just the +5 bonecrushing(+2), disrupting(+2), defending(+1) (both endsX2) quarterstaff = +20 weapon which costs 8million gold. And both alacrity and souldrinker are Epic lvl specific items, so to add anything extra to one of them incurs epic lvl prices.

Step one, I didn't enhance either of my premade items, I'm not sure what gave you that impression. Step two, the costs to enhance the two sides of a weapon are done seperatly, which means both ends are +10, non-epic enhancements.

 

[Shayuri]

If you'll recall, I did inquire on such things before. It may be just an assumption, but I'm pretty sure stat boosters fall into the same catagory as skill boosters. If such isn't true, well that just means I have a few more million GP to spend on more important things.

BTW: To all who consider paragon to be broken by looking at what I concocted, I assure you that my non-paragon equivilant is in no way inferior to this design, and that I chose paragon as a flavor thing. And realistically, I've not surpassed some of the other builds posted here. I don't think I deserve the Hangman's noose quite yet.

Hee...no one's faulting you, Dari. No worries.

 

[Jemal]

Darimaus, a couple things...
You have 2 Quarterstaffs and a Sword, and only 2 hands and a tail to wield them with... And since they all require two hands to wield (I didn't notice Exotic Pro: Bastard Sword on your sheet), that puts you 3 hands short, unless you're only wielding one at a time.

Plus, .since you're a size smaller, the damage on them will be less. 1d4 for the quarterstaff's for small size, and I believe 1d8 for the Bastard Sword.

OH, and I don't think I'll be allowing Darkstalker this time around.

Not too sure on grafts, I'll have to think about it.

Also, quarterstaff's are made of wood and thus can't be converted to adamantine. You could use Darkwood or maybe Ironwood.

Vertex (And ALL)
Stat boosters, skill boosters, Weapon/Armour/Nat.Armour Enhancements, Deflection Bonuses(AC) and Resistance Bonuses(saves) follow a specific, non-abusable pattern, and are thus not considered 'custom made' regardless of the Bonus. The ELH Just doesn't continue listing them past a certain point b/c it would be redundant. I DO, however, put a limit on such items... Weapon/Armour/Save bonuses can't be more than 3/4 your level (30 in this case) and stat/skill/Resistance bonuses can't be more than your level (40 in this case). I thought I'd pointed this out before, but if I did or if anybody was wondering, there it is.

Avalon - Yeah, that ring's OK, I guess. Nothing broken about it.

Shayuri - Don't knock Pseudonatural... Max HP, Double Speed, and Their SR may as well be SPELL IMMUNITY. (HD X 5? even if it were a +20 LA, at lvl 40 that's still 20 HD, which is SR 100....). Plus they get bonus Tentacle attacks.. 1 + 1/4HD, each doing 1d8+STR damage. Considering their +22 STR.. Paragon's still better overall(IMO), but not by much.
And Pseudonatural Paragon is just scarry.
Just imagine, if you can, the Paragon Pseudonatural Half-Red Dragon Tarrasque. CR: 47.
that would be considered a tough boss fight for 6 of you guys at this level. And it's perfectly legal by the rules. ALL of those templates can be stacked.

Hmm, I oughta stat that monster up and use him if any of youse ticks me off ...

 

[Shayuri]

I wasn't knocking it, I was just pointing out a possible disparity in "pricing" the two templates.

Believe me, I wouldn't mind having either one, but the loss in HD would be...irksome.

*shrug*

Also, pdragons are Tiny, I thought...not Small. That's 2 size categories down.

SHOULDERDRAGONS!

Nearly done with my dragon, btw. Should be postable today or tomorrow. Just doing inventory now.

 

[Jemal]

Also, pdragons are Tiny, I thought...not Small. That's 2 size categories down.

SHOULDERDRAGONS!

Right, Tiny. Got it.

 

[Darimaus]

Step one, I don't understand what you guys are getting caught up on. I NEVER stated I was to be wielding more than one quarterstaff at a time. I buy different weapons to use at different times. Why is that such an odd concept? I will use one quarterstaff and the sword at the same time, and if the situation changes, I will switch off the quarterstaffs. And yes, I don't have the exotic weapon proficiency, but I did factor in the -4 penalty for doing that in the stats.

I am annoyed that you won't let me use adamantine for the quarterstaff, after all it would just be a metal stick, I don't see how far of a stretch that is... but I'll switch it to Ironwood or whatever if you really want me to since it was a flavor thing as well.

I did notice the damage thing, and it got changed on my own character sheet copy, but the change didn't make it over to this one. That will change as well.

Not having Darkstalker sucks, but I'll live.

Lastly, Bring That Monster On!!!!! I could use a challenge

 

[Vertexx69]

Vertex (And ALL)
Stat boosters, skill boosters, Weapon/Armour/Nat.Armour Enhancements, Deflection Bonuses(AC) and Resistance Bonuses(saves) follow a specific, non-abusable pattern, and are thus not considered 'custom made' regardless of the Bonus. The ELH Just doesn't continue listing them past a certain point b/c it would be redundant. I DO, however, put a limit on such items... Weapon/Armour/Save bonuses can't be more than 3/4 your level (30 in this case) and stat/skill/Resistance bonuses can't be more than your level (40 in this case). I thought I'd pointed this out before, but if I did or if anybody was wondering, there it is.

thx for the clarifications, just wasn't sure how far we were allowed to get away from the book.

Just imagine, if you can, the Paragon Pseudonatural Half-Red Dragon Tarrasque. CR: 47.
that would be considered a tough boss fight for 6 of you guys at this level. And it's perfectly legal by the rules. ALL of those templates can be stacked.

Hmm, I oughta stat that monster up and use him if any of youse ticks me off ...

mmm sounds tasty!

 

[Vertexx69]

Step one, I don't understand what you guys are getting caught up on. I NEVER stated I was to be wielding more than one quarterstaff at a time. I buy different weapons to use at different times. Why is that such an odd concept? I will use one quarterstaff and the sword at the same time, and if the situation changes, I will switch off the quarterstaffs.

Its all good Dar, I'm no longer hung up. I thought double headed weapon enchantments stacked up (+10 and +10 on same wep =+20). But going over the book I couldnt find any rule about it (must have had my crazy-flakes that morning, don't mind me ) And the way I read the way you typed it just wasn't clear, couldnt tell if it was 1 weapon or 3.
And I don't see the problem of having your, tiny/diminuitive (with shrink item), adamantium quaterstaff since it would still only have 10/5 hp.

Ya we could take that Big-T no problem

 

[Solarious]

Anyone who reads Sepulchrave's fantastic Epic-level storyhour will recall, with affection, Mostin's trump card, The Horror. It was just a baseline Ultroloth (pants version) with the template, but it's 90SR, large number of potent spell-likes, reoptimized feat choices, 6 full attack tentacle rakes with Rotting Constriction, among other things, made it something even Demon Princes feared.

Granted, it's only CR 30, but 90 points of SR makes it effectively invulnerable to magic unless you used an abused Epic Spell bumped up to penetrate it's defenses to kill it instantly. And magic is probably the most potent weapon in any relatively normal campaign.

@Jemal: Unfortunately, I tried to get a hold of the Complete Scoundrel over the weekend, but it was nowhere to be seen, even at the FLGS. I didn't have time to finish an outline yesterday or today (damn all work hours), but I'll try to get it up tomorrow. By the by, with access to the MMI, MMII, and MMIII, what monsters within would a Shifter qualify for?